If you think Sutton had a better season than this, get out your ruby red grapefruit juice and… Name ‘Em!
In this episode, we discuss Sutton Stracke storylines from Real Housewives of Beverly Hills Season 13:
⚪Sutton vs Erika… ⚪Sutton vs Kyle… ⚪Sutton vs Mercer in the Purse… ⚪Sutton vs Dating Apps
Sharon: I tried to.
Caitlin: What do you call it, where you.
Sharon: Try to have something in common with.
Caitlin: Someone, try to make a friend, and.
Sharon: Then you realize that you have nothing in common? and then you feel weird.
Caitlin: That is weird.
Sharon: It’s like, hey, you know, when blah, blah, blah? And they’re kind of like, no, it’s.
Caitlin: Unfair because people always, like, put yourself out there. Like, put yourself out online. Anytime I’ve ever put myself out there, I for of it.
Caitlin: Don’t you feel? No.
Caitlin: She was like, oh, I feel so good. I put myself out there even though it bumbled. Hi, this is Caitlin.
Sharon: And this is Sharon.
Caitlin: And welcome to Real Housewives on Real Housewives, where we unravel housewives story threads and keep the tea flowing.
Sharon: So chic.
Caitlin: Hold on to your diamonds.
Sharon: This week, we’re digging into Sutton strack from real housewives of Beverly Hills season 13.
Caitlin: The verses this week are Sutton versus Erica, Sutton versus Kyle, Sutton versus merce in the purse, and Sutton versus dating apps. So we’re going to cover the whole Anna Marie esophagus controversy under the Anna Marie episode, so look for that. All right, our background info on Sutton. She’s 52, she is a businesswoman and a socialite. She’s not afraid to say that she is. She’s a former ballerina, she has three kids, and she’s divorced, according to the Internet. And this is my exciting tidbit. She once ranked as one of the top party hosts in America as part of the Salonier 100 list. This season, she has a horse, and they all look alike, so she can’t tell you which one is her. His name is Santos, and he costs $47,000. I think that’s the amount of money I took out to get my master’s degree.
Sharon: That’s less than one month of her, what do you call it? Child support.
Caitlin: That’s true. When you look at it that way, think about how many horses she could have.
Sharon: That’s like one week of alimony.
Caitlin: now I’m sad.
Sharon: She could get 52 horses in a year.
Caitlin: That’s a lot of horses. That’s like a herd. What is a bunch of horses called? I bet Sutton knows. Okay, so Sutton we are Sutton apologists. Or we were Sutton apologists. I think I’m still a Sutton apologist.
Sharon: I am. Okay, I don’t want to admit that she annoyed me this season, but she annoyed me this season. But I love her.
Caitlin: She did not annoy me, I’m sure.
Sharon: This season, but she really did get on my nerves.
Caitlin: Yeah.
Caitlin: Okay, that’s interesting.
Sharon: See, I’m always the opposite of whatever I’m supposed to be. Oh, and I have something else to say.
Caitlin: Okay.
Sharon: I feel like she looks older than 52.
Caitlin: She looks beautiful. I do agree with her.
Sharon: She’s gorgeous. She’s stylish, but I don’t know. I feel like she’s ten years older than us. Doesn’t she seem 20 years, or we’re just.
Caitlin: I think it’s because she’s so skinny. Like, she’s so skinny and not like Erica’s skinny, but, like, skin and bone skinny in a way. And it’s like, I think when you are that it pulls at your face a little bit more. I honestly think if she had a little more fat in her face, she might look a little bit younger.
Sharon: I agree.
Caitlin: She probably doesn’t want to do that. And Beverly Hills, you not add fat into anything anywhere. I did feel like her strong performance this season because people were finally, like, backing her, because she’s been, like, the dark horse the whole way. It’s been like the Santos the whole way. But this season, she’s shown a little bit more, and people across the Internet were a little bit more on her team, and it made me feel vindicated, like, well, we’ve been backing her all along.
Caitlin: Yeah. So. Ha. Ha.
Caitlin: Told you so. People love it when you say that to them. Okay, let’s start with Sutton versus Erica, which is essentially the magic Mike controversy. So background info on that is that Erica has them go to Las Vegas because her show is going to be there. That is what I originally wrote. And then sharon was like, wait, wasn’t there some other reason? We went to Vegas on the show? And I was like, oh, it was also crystal’s 40th birthday, but in my head, I was just like, it because Erica has a show there. Oh, yeah. Also, Crystal turned 40. and so because her show director and BFF, mikey Minden, I’m not sure if I’m saying that right, but his husband is in magic Mike, so she scored tickets to magic Mike. So Sutton seems excited to go. She brought ones.
Sharon: Yeah, she was really excited to go. And Erica said, if you want to get on stage, you have to wear pants, because basically, your legs are going to be. Spread it. Right.
Caitlin: So you can’t wear a skirt.
Caitlin: Yeah. Well, maybe.
Sharon: No, you can wear a skirt.
Caitlin: Yeah.
Sharon: Not a skirt.
Caitlin: Yeah.
Caitlin: Okay. But they might not be able to tell that from the audience, so you might not get on. I mean, you don’t want to mess it up. You don’t want to be in between it, you got to be in, like, tight, ugly leather pants. but then she sees, let’s just say simulated something, and she changes her tune. She regrets wearing the pants. She’s like, I wore pants for nothing. And then later, it’s not about the effing pants. Like, there was a lot of pants talk, but she leaves, and as she leaves, she kind of does that. I’m on the American Ballet association board, and I don’t do this stuff. what’s weird to me about this whole thing? So the other women follow her out because she’s upset, but I don’t understand why they couldn’t just let her be upset and leave. Sometimes you just have to remove yourself from a scenario, and that doesn’t mean that other people can’t have fun. But it’s like everybody had to get up and follow her, and everybody had to, and then it became this big deal.
Sharon: I agree. They did follow her. And wasn’t it Kyle that really. Okay, but when she left, she should have said something like, yeah, I have to go to the bathroom. Know, I don’t feel good. I’m just going to go outside.
Caitlin: Because you think it was a throwing when she left.
Sharon: Yeah.
Caitlin: Well, I think she kind of stormed.
Sharon: Yeah, I think that’s think.
Caitlin: Okay.
Sharon: I can’t imagine you storming out and me not being like, yeah, I guess that’s true. Actually, I can. If it’s magic Mike, I totally stay and watch you to.
Caitlin: I’ll deal with Caitlin.
Caitlin: Hm.
Sharon: Later.
Caitlin: But it’s like, you could also text and be like, you. Okay.
Sharon: But so I guess I understand.
Caitlin: There’s also a was. I did not like this because I felt like she made this big deal over nothing. She kind of, like, pulled the attention from everything. But here’s what I don’t quite understand. I don’t feel like she was the one who made the really big deal about it. She said she was uncomfortable and she left. Like, you’re allowed to do that.
Sharon: But here’s the thing. I think this is what was so annoying to everyone. She wasn’t uncomfortable. She was just pulling that because she didn’t get on stage.
Caitlin: Do you think that that’s really what.
Sharon: That’s what I think it was. I think she’s jealous that she didn’t get on stage, and that’s why she got upset, because she was so excited about it, and then so she acted like, it’s so disgusting. She doesn’t want to be a part of it.
Caitlin: Yeah.
Caitlin: She said later that she thought they were going to a more traditional strip coat lab, type thing.
Sharon: Which would be what?
Caitlin: I mean, I think that would be worse. But I guess maybe she thought everyone would just be sitting around a table and there wouldn’t be a focus on it. Maybe the fact that she thought it was okay.
Sharon: You’re told you’re going to see a male reviewer. Male strippers.
Caitlin: You have to admit, the thing that they did with Erica, though, and Crystal and the between the legs thing, that was a little uncomfortable. But I guess I don’t understand why she couldn’t just close her eyes, sit there, and wait for the next song.
Sharon: Has she not seen the movie magic Mike?
Caitlin: that.
Caitlin: I’m guessing there’s three of.
Caitlin: I mean, I think we’ve been to all of.
Sharon: I know. I’ve been together. Yeah, like, I’m sorry. You knew what you were getting into.
Caitlin: That, I think, is a fair statement.
Sharon: She brought one.
Caitlin: Yes.
Sharon: And so I understand it wasn’t a show where they were standing there throwing us. Yeah, but even if there was, you know, that. That would still mean some interaction. Like, you’d be going and stuffing a dollar bill on the guy’s life.
Caitlin: I think she maybe pictured it as more old Vegas, and then this was more like new Vegas, and that threw her.
Sharon: Here’s the thing.
Caitlin: I think she was wrong. I think she reacted poorly. Like, I think she made a big deal out of nothing. But what I didn’t like was, I feel like the other women followed her out, and then kyle made this whole big thing, and, this is my thing. I felt like Kyle was setting her up for some stuff this season, and it all starts here. And that’s what I didn’t like, because I felt like Kyle was like, well, we couldn’t leave you behind. And this is the thing. Just like, you seemed unhinged. Didn’t seem unhinged. She just was pissed. Whether she was jealous, whether she was having, Whether she was mad that she had to wear pants, I don’t know. I think all these things are, like, stupid reasons to be upset. But that doesn’t make you unhinged.
Sharon: She’s embarrassed that she was so excited and she wasn’t chosen.
Caitlin: Exactly.
Caitlin: And that’s all it was. That’s not unhinged behavior. No, it’s annoying. Like you said, she’s being annoying.
Sharon: Do you really believe that she was? So it sounds to me like you really believe she was upset at the simulated, act.
Caitlin: I kind of think she was, because I think she pulled that. She kind of pulled the debutante card.
Caitlin: Okay.
Caitlin: I think she maybe was uncomfortable. And then she literally was like, I have to get out of here because I’m so proper.
Sharon: Let’s say they did all the other dancing stuff minus that one head between.
Caitlin: Do I think she would have, would.
Sharon: That have been okay?
Caitlin: I think maybe you really do.
Sharon: That was the one pick.
Caitlin: she’s been really weird about other stuff and she was willing to talk about. I don’t know. I just think it’s sort of like, okay, I know we don’t know genres, but it’s kind of like when Heather gay kind of wants to talk about it, sort of, but doesn’t want to go that deep. That’s what I kind of felt like.
Sharon: It was jokes about.
Caitlin: That’s what I mean. She was talking about. What’s the book? The eastern philosophy.
Sharon: The commission.
Caitlin: Yes.
Caitlin: Thank you. Okay, so it’s like she was saying that she was reading that. Remember when she and Garcia were.
Sharon: She’s offended by.
Caitlin: I don’t think she is that offended. I just think for some reason she got like, I just wonder if because the cameras were there and she realized what they were filming her attached to, she got uncomfortable. I don’t know because initially she did just kind of get up and leave. She didn’t really throw the fit in the seats. I guess it just bothers me the way that Kyle kind of like, flicked. Like she used it to her advantage and I didn’t like that she did just say, just let her be upset. I don’t know. I really think someone should have. Garcelle should have gone out. Like, whoever’s closest goes out and whoever’s birthday is not says, hey, are you okay? Well, everyone else is staying. Do you want us to get you an uber back to the hotel or what do you want to do? But you’re kind of being a wet blanket here. And then just send her back. They wouldn’t have played into the thing where she was like, I’m embarrassed and I wanted to get picked because you don’t play into that. It’s like as a kid you don’t give into that. But at the same time, then you just go, here’s what you need to be uncomfortable. And you go, and if that wasn’t the deal, then She would have shown. Well, okay, I guess I’ll come back. I feel like they both play into it and flipped it on her and I just didn’t understand why we had to make such a deal out of it.
Sharon: Well played, Kyle.
Caitlin: It was well played by Kyle. Now, the part where I do think that she’s really, really overreacting and is wrong. So then later, they’re leaving the hotel, and they see Mikey and his husband or partner in the elevator. and Sutton sort of thinks that Erica set that up, because Erica’s like, oh, it’s your chance to apologize.
Caitlin: Okay.
Caitlin: It was her chance to apologize, because this is that person’s show. This is that person’s livelihood. And she did make a bit of a mockery of it, and she did embarrass the show. I don’t really care what she did to the other castmates, whatever, but I think she needed to immediately go, yeah, I overreacted. I’m so sorry. That was so stupid of me. Instead of being like, did you plan this? I’m, not apologizing. That’s where it really pisses me off. This is the part that makes me.
Sharon: Mad, not the other part being the southern bell debutante.
Caitlin: Yes.
Caitlin: You think no matter what, you would.
Sharon: Be like, oh, you know what? Thank you for having me. I’m sorry I left. Maybe another time.
Caitlin: Or even just to say, like, oh, I was having a bad personal problem.
Sharon: Next time, I will stay.
Caitlin: Yeah, that’s the one that really got.
Sharon: Or just joking. Oh, just a little too racy for me. But it was a fun show.
Caitlin: Something like.
Sharon: You could have said something like, man.
Caitlin: You guys are buff. I think if Bravo Kong goes back, maybe we need to go.
Sharon: Do you think Erica planned it? I do not think Erica planned it.
Caitlin: No, I don’t know that you could have. Although people were saying all she had to do was text up and be like, we’re leaving now, and have them hit floor three or whatever floor they were on.
Sharon: So she was waiting. But there’s a lot of people. There’s a lot of housewives, there’s a lot of camera crew.
Caitlin: I understand when people say, maybe she could have, but I think she.
Caitlin: That’s.
Sharon: They’re staying in the same hotel. They’re bound to run into each. You know what I mean? I don’t think.
Caitlin: I mean, part of me half wonders if she was like, hey, we’re leaving. See if you can be in the lobby or something. But I don’t think she planned for the elevator doors to open. That was too perfect.
Sharon: I agree.
Caitlin: Can you picture them just, like, riding up and down, waiting?
Sharon: Other people are trying to get on the elevator, and they’re like, sorry.
Caitlin: They’re putting their hand out, like, in the middle of the door so it just doesn’t close. Okay, who wins in Sutton versus Erica.
Caitlin: Erica.
Caitlin: Yeah, I think so, too, because she’s in the. Right here. And we’ll discuss a little bit more about, some of the stuff know Kyle and Sutton now as we go into the next set. So this is Sutton versus Kyle, and it focuses on the drinking. So the background information is that Sutton carries around ocean spray ruby red grapefruit juice in her purse, which cracks me up. She’s not sponsored by them, but she should be not. They are missing a huge opportunity, at least for the social media. Like, I think of, like, Lisa Barlow and Wendy’s.
Caitlin: Yeah.
Caitlin: I just want to say that this needs to happen.
Sharon: Actually, it made me crave grapefruit juice.
Caitlin: I know, me too. Especially the ruby red one, because that is prettier than that other, like, yellowy.
Sharon: And it’s not a juice you think of?
Caitlin: No. But now we should go get that. Carry it around in our purse. So the background information is that Sutton carries around ocean spray ruby red grapefruit juice in her purse. What do you have in your purse? Do you have any beverages in your purse?
Sharon: Okay, so a lot of times I carry juice boxes.
Caitlin: Yes.
Sharon: Because I have one diet.
Caitlin: Yes, actually.
Sharon: Red grapefruit. I usually like apple juice, because I.
Caitlin: Think you should mix it up. Well, yeah, maybe I should, because then. Okay, you remember how we were talking about how it’s hard to make friends who have similar tastes that we have?
Caitlin: Yes.
Caitlin: So if you are, like, just at a random place, and all of a sudden, you pull a little ruby red grapefruit juice out of your purse, the people who look at you excitedly, you’ll know that there are people that’s. You’ll know.
Sharon: I never meet our people.
Caitlin: It’s like a test. Our people are carrying around the wrong juice.
Caitlin: We just.
Sharon: Is that, like, your secret sign?
Caitlin: It’s like a secret handshake. You have to do, like, weird little things. Like, you pull that out, and you say, oh, merce is also in here.
Caitlin: I spilled my merce.
Caitlin: Could someone help me clean up my merce? It needs to go back to my purse. So Kyle says that Sutton showed nothing of her life this season, but, okay, when I was compiling her notes, I don’t think that’s, like, she didn’t have something as big and as explosive as Kyle and her current divorce and her whole really long marriage blowing up. But, like, Sutton had a divorce, and this is the first season she really talked about it and talked about her.
Sharon: Ex husband, and I think it’s actually really unfair to Kyle to say that, because Kyle was so dismissive of everything she talked about.
Caitlin: She didn’t want to talk about. The thing in her life was like.
Sharon: Oh, my husband’s moving, and Kyle’s like, whatever, stupid.
Caitlin: Let’s talk about me some more. Why don’t you share? I mean, she did the divorce, she talked about her whole medical history. She talked about the esophagus, she talked about her feet, she talked about. We know what her drug history is. That’s, like, just HIPAa violation. But we know she’s on gabapentin, which I think my dog was on. she talked about her past. She talked about merce. She sponsored the trip to Barcelona. We met her old friends.
Sharon: Oh, that’s right.
Caitlin: We saw her comfortable first dates. Oh, yeah. So I think Kyle is just full of it.
Sharon: I think you’re right, because we really.
Caitlin: Talked about her store for the first time, we learned how much money she gets. I mean, this is, like, the most we’ve learned about Sutton ever. And maybe it’s not interesting to Kyle, and I’ll give her, like. But that doesn’t mean she didn’t share.
Sharon: Agree? I think she did share. I just think. Yeah, like you said, it’s just not as crazy as what’s going on in Kyle.
Caitlin: Exactly.
Caitlin: And that’s not fair. It’s like, if you don’t have an amazingly awful divorce, or, like, terrible health crisis, then we can’t talk about it.
Sharon: Suffering olympics, man.
Caitlin: Exactly.
Caitlin: Yeah.
Caitlin: Maybe Kyle’s, like, going for the gold.
Caitlin: Yeah.
Sharon: Okay.
Caitlin: Does Sutton drink too much?
Sharon: Okay, so I didn’t think wasn’t. But then when they said it, I kind of started to wonder. They planted that seed.
Caitlin: I doubt it.
Sharon: Doesn’t seem like she does.
Caitlin: It felt like they showed more of her pouring drinks this season, but I don’t think it was more or less than previous seasons. So I guess if we weren’t calling her out for having a problem before.
Caitlin: I’m not sure we need to be calling her out for having a problem now. I mean, I don’t know.
Sharon: I get the vibe they all drink about the same amount. Yeah, I don’t know.
Caitlin: And I also get the feeling that everybody drinks a lot during filming. And that’s what people said, too, that sometimes we look like alcoholics because we’re going from party to party to party.
Sharon: Exactly.
Caitlin: You’re not seeing that in between that we’re not. And it’s like, whether it’s an everyday thing or. I don’t know. I mean, does kyle not drink enough?
Sharon: Kyle does not drink enough. I think kyle would be more fun if she drank a lot.
Caitlin: I mean, sometimes I wonder if it is totally Kyle, just like, so she doesn’t drink anymore, and now she sees Sutton drinking all the time and to her all the time, and so therefore, it’s like, well, maybe her level of judgment of that is not.
Sharon: Well, it screams one of those obnoxious people that stops doing something, and then.
Caitlin: Suddenly whatever you do is, like, too much because they’re so much better.
Sharon: Yeah, exactly. It’s like, you, great, be sober, but don’t comment on my drinking. Exactly, because it just makes it more.
Caitlin: Annoying when you do m. So after the magic mike incident, kyle comes to Sutton’s house. They drink tea, see? Not alcohol. And then Sutton kind of explains that she’s mad about the whole elevator door dancer thing, that Erica embarrassed her, and Kyle says, you have a habit of losing your stuff in ridiculous circumstances, and this is, like, my favorite part of many. Okay, name them.
Sharon: Oh, my God.
Caitlin: Name them. I wanted to name punch her in.
Sharon: The face when she was saying that.
Caitlin: She looks mad right now.
Sharon: I wanted to slap her.
Caitlin: Name him. Oh, my God, it is annoying. Yeah, it’s really fun to say it over and over, though. You try it.
Sharon: I’d see. This is where I’m just like, Sutton, I love you. I thought you were just annoying me. I was with Kyle when Kyle was like, let me talk.
Caitlin: I do understand that a little bit. Do you think it was calculated at all by Sutton, or do you think she was just pissed, but she couldn’t think of anything else, so she’s like.
Sharon: Say what it really wanted. I think she thought Kyle was being dramatic and wanted her to be like, no, specifically, tell me you can’t think.
Caitlin: Of anything, because I do think that happens a lot in house. There’s all this general. Let me throw out a thing, but I don’t really have anything to.
Sharon: Exactly.
Caitlin: So I do get that. But Kyle does know that whole ugly leather pants thing with crystal, the Tahoe face roller situation, the magic mike show. So, I mean, there is moments. But do you think that Sutton loses her stuff more often than any other house? No way. For some reason, it just seems to hold more weight when she does. For some reason, and I don’t know.
Sharon: Why, I think they kind of get.
Caitlin: To her more about, like.
Sharon: I think they’re a little harder on her than some of the other women.
Caitlin: Maybe she lets. I mean, that’s not fair to say, but maybe she allows them to push it more with hers, whereas Erica would just blow up and they’re more afraid of Erica.
Sharon: Yeah.
Caitlin: Whereas they’re not afraid of Sutton. She’s, like, this little easier target. I think that part of it. I think, too, that this is why. And we’ll talk about this on our Kyle episode, but I think that this is why Sutton brings up Kyle’s ring. Like, I do think that this is why she points all the things out that she points out during the pot dinner. And then I think it’s why Kyle comes back with Sutton and the eating disorder, which I don’t think we’re really.
Sharon: But where is it all stemming from, though?
Caitlin: I kind of feel. I don’t know. They’re going into this season.
Sharon: They just don’t like each other.
Caitlin: Yeah, I don’t know. That’s a really good question.
Sharon: Is it because of Kathy? Is that where it all boils down?
Caitlin: I think it does for Kyle.
Sharon: Maybe that’s where.
Caitlin: And so that’s why I can’t tell. Did Sutton start any of this, or is she just jealous that, in fact, Sutton was able to keep her friendship with Kathy this whole time while she’s had these ups and downs? And in a. Like, it makes it easier for her to say, like, oh, she just wants to stay with the parties, and she just wants to friend. And I think it does make Kyle mad. So I do think that she comes in and she kind of gets all over Sutton about in Vegas. Like, she’s kind of weird about the bull riding thing, and she’s a little bit weirder about the magic Mike thing, and they kind of all go at her in the sprinter van. And so I do think that then Sutton comes back with, like, well, where’s your wedding ring, Kyle?
Caitlin: And there is all this stuff, and it is like, if you’re going to just be on her and why? I think you overreact about everything, and then there’s all this news out about Kyle, and she doesn’t want to talk about it. Yeah, well, then you’ve got to pick what you’re saying to other people, because it’s going to come back. I mean, you can’t be surprised by that. Do you think it’s ever fair to use someone’s disorder in a fight? Like, when they were talking about that? Maybe she has an eating disorder, especially after all the stuff with crystal.
Caitlin: I don’t understand why.
Sharon: I don’t remember how she.
Caitlin: It just sort of came up and she just sort of hinted at it, but it, ah, upset Sutton.
Sharon: Oh, that made me really think she had an eating disorder.
Caitlin: Yeah, me too. I mean, it made me all of a sudden think about it, and I hadn’t really thought about it.
Sharon: Well, no, I always thought she had.
Sharon: I wouldn’t be surprised. Now, this is the thing where Kyle. I guess what Kyle wanted worked.
Caitlin: Yeah, because it got it in our heads.
Sharon: It did. Well, the fact that she’s so skinny and she used to be a ballerina.
Sharon: And I know a lot of dancers have to really struggle to keep their weight down, right?
Caitlin: So it could be something she struggled with. So then the thing that really bugs me, I guess, is this. Either Kyle has to know that she doesn’t have an eating disorder, so therefore it’s okay to hint at it because it’s not really a problem. Like, whereas if they hinted at with crystal, it could really push her back into. So either Kyle knows that it’s not and she’s just being mean because she’s thin, or Kyle really is using someone’s. I mean, if you think this is a problem, then this is an off the camera don’t. This is not where you bring it.
Sharon: This is why I think she has an eating disorder. If someone told me, like, you’re so skinny of an eating disorder, I’d be like, thank you. Okay, I know eating disorders are super serious, and I know they’re actually very dangerous and deadly, but I would not be offended. I’d be like, oh, you think I’m.
Caitlin: At, like you’re saying the fact that she took it so. Right.
Sharon: M but I thought because I’ve used her, I’m just skinny because I work hard or whatever.
Caitlin: Yeah, no, that’s interesting. It’s a touch.
Sharon: Why is it offensive?
Caitlin: An issue in and of itself. Yes. Okay, I can see why you’re saying that.
Caitlin: Okay.
Caitlin: Thinking about Sutton and her. Like, she had that whole issue with the reunion and she had to leave early. and it’s interesting because she does talk about Kyle and saying that Kyle was dangerous with how she spoke about Sutton and that Kyle played a good game of chess. I think all of those things are interesting, and I think we should save them a little bit for our Kyle episode, which, fun fact, little teaser here we are doing a crossover with, from the Bleachers podcast women. And so you can look forward to that episode. We’re going to do our Kyle episode with them, and then we’re going to do an episode for their podcast with us. So it’ll be fun. Little crossover.
Sharon: So who wins?
Caitlin: I don’t know.
Sharon: I kind of feel like Kyle wins and I feel like you and I are going to disagree here.
Caitlin: Okay. When what you said was Kyle got us all thinking in that certain manner about the issues with Sutton. From that aspect, you’re right. So Kyle is playing a good game here because she got us thinking the negative thoughts about Sutton. But I think Sutton wins because I think the name them is just so iconic. I just can’t even it over everything.
Sharon: Kyle wins.
Caitlin: Bad.
Caitlin: She looks dumb.
Sharon: No, because I thought Sutton looked so annoying in that scene. See, I sided with Kyle in that.
Caitlin: She was like a toddler, just bowled over the parent.
Sharon: I just wanted to smack her.
Caitlin: No, it was so great.
Sharon: I don’t hit my kids. Don’t worry.
Caitlin: But she might hit Sutton.
Sharon: Exactly.
Caitlin: Okay, speaking of things a toddler might do, let’s move on to Sutton versus Merce in the purse.
Sharon: Just because you got to carry everything with you.
Caitlin: I’m sorry, but there’s a lot of great Sutton moments this season. You’ve got to say, okay, they go to Barcelona. She says all of a Sutton, which we said that so much.
Sharon: Caitlin actually coined that so long ago.
Caitlin: So I think she listens to our podcast, so. Hey, Sutton.
Sharon: Hey, Sutton.
Caitlin: So all of a sudden, Sutton has Merce’s ashes? Merce is like her old Merce Cunningham. He has, like, a dance studio.
Sharon: He’s like. He’s in her purse, man.
Caitlin: I guess he’s not dancing a lot right now, especially if different people have parts of him. but I guess he was, like, this famous dancer. Even Erica said that she was taken a task for not knowing about.
Caitlin: It’s.
Caitlin: So she has this friend Trevor. They meet up in Barcelona. They’ve been friends for years. He brings his friends. So here’s what happens. First of all, the night before Sutton introduces Merce, he’s not in a purse at that point. He’s in a ziploc bag. Is it weird to keep Merce in a Ziploc bag? I really don’t think it’s that weird. How else are you going to transport ashes? Like, you don’t want to spill them in the plane. You don’t want to make a mess, you don’t want them to fall out.
Sharon: I mean, what, the special edition ziplocs, right?
Caitlin: Something like they have with, like, a pattern?
Sharon: Yeah, like a pattern.
Caitlin: Like Mickey.
Sharon: Yeah, like, there’s Mickey. Or, you know, they have the Christmas ones, but I had one once that were, like, purple with snowflakes.
Caitlin: Okay, so you’re saying, like, as long as she picks a pattern, I feel like that reflects his spirit.
Sharon: Well, did she write you to where there’s a label and you write with a sharpie.
Caitlin: Ashes. Are they really that offended? And like, if she dumped him in a birkin? I don’t think that. I mean, Kyle said that, but then you’ve got dust all over your birkin.
Sharon: I think if you put them in a ziploc, they have to be in something. Wrap the ziploc in maybe like a nice, tissue paper or a bow. Maybe wrap like a bow tie.
Caitlin: A little bow.
Caitlin: I could see that. Because, okay, I guess I’ve never opened an urn of ashes. Have you?
Sharon: No. I don’t know anyone that’s been cremated. I do.
Caitlin: It’s our dogs and they’re on.
Sharon: Oh, yeah, I have our dogs. They’re in the pantry.
Caitlin: Mine are on the fireplace. My children say goodnight to them. because you still have a dog running around. We don’t.
Sharon: Those are our dog.
Caitlin: They’re very tidy. but are they in a ziploc inside?
Sharon: They’re in a box. They have a nice box. They came in a nice box.
Caitlin: Ours are actually in an urn.
Caitlin: So.
Caitlin: Are they in a plastic? So here’s what I was wondering. Are they in a plastic in the urn? Because maybe she just like literally lifted it out of a thing and,
Sharon: I see. But why wouldn’t you just carry it in?
Caitlin: Why wouldn’t you bring.
Sharon: Why wouldn’t you put the ziploc in a nice box and carry the box? She’s rich enough. She can do that.
Caitlin: But maybe it’s too heavy. Remember when we were trying to leave?
Sharon: She’s rich, but remember she was trying.
Caitlin: To leave Bravocon and we were on the cheap airline and your bag weighed too much. She barely had to balance it out with my bag.
Sharon: And the guy wanted a tip because he let us do that.
Caitlin: Yeah.
Caitlin: And then we weren’t sure.
Caitlin: We didn’t have.
Caitlin: We were going to get in trouble.
Sharon: And we were like, yeah, but anyway.
Caitlin: Maybe it was like a situation.
Sharon: She’s rich.
Caitlin: Yeah. No, I guess you’re right. I don’t understand why she couldn’t have put it in a level, but I think she thought maybe she wanted to carry it on and she didn’t want to be questioned about it.
Sharon: What’s the difference if it’s in a bag and then the bag is in a box?
Caitlin: Because maybe someone just like, oh, that’s a snack. But if it was like a box, it might be like, what’s in the box?
Sharon: It’s like ashes.
Caitlin: Seaweed.
Sharon: Oh, actually, there’s this stuff called, doa?
Caitlin: yeah, there you go. I have no idea what that is.
Sharon: Hold on.
Caitlin: Do you take it on the airplane? anyway, my point is, I just don’t think it’s that weird. And the women were going crazy about the ziploc. I think it was weirder when they sort of, like, shamed her out of the ziploc, and then she put it in a purse. I think the purse was an even weirder step. Like, why did it need to be a purse? The merce really liked purses. Please don’t put me in something my name.
Sharon: Well, that’s why. It’s because it rhymed. There’s no merce in a box.
Caitlin: Yeah, no mercenary merce in a Ziploc doesn’t rhyme. That’s not fun.
Sharon: Okay, you know what it reminds me of? Okay, do you know lance crackers? They’re like the cheese crackers. Cheese and peanut butter. Whatever. There were occasionally these ads on the radio. I got Lance in my pants. That’s all I think of.
Caitlin: That’s exactly what it is. The best part of this, though, is Erica getting drunk while they’re waiting for the dinner with Sutton’s erudite friends.
Sharon: Oh, I loved it.
Caitlin: And she becomes, like, wasted. She’s hysterical. She’s like, Brooklyn. What a dumb. And then she also knows everything. She’s, like, drunk rain man. She’s, like, talking about parts of the world and world religions and politics, and she knew everything. But then she turns to them, and she’s like, I know you love M Merce, but Merce was in his block bag. And then she’s like, merce is in the purse, which was just great. Then, the worst part is they toss Merce. You can’t ever toss ashes when it’s not win. I mean, it’s a problem when you toss the ashes.
Sharon: Yeah, you told me about your brother’s.
Caitlin: It he got her stuck in his pant leg, and they got back to the hotel, and he was like, I have a dog in my pant leg. But this is what happened with Merce. He got all over Garcelle’s back. Yeah, you really got Merce in her mouth.
Sharon: I can’t believe you wouldn’t just test a little to see which way the.
Caitlin: Mean I think it might have been not to just let Merce go. Maybe she couldn’t let him go, and he just came back.
Sharon: Merce is haunting her. Merce is like, what if she, like, got Merse in her eyes?
Caitlin: I don’t know. Well, Erica got Merce in her mouth. That’s the worst.
Sharon: That’s worse than a purse.
Caitlin: Okay, so who wins? I don’t know.
Caitlin: What Merce does.
Sharon: Not Merce. You know what I was just thinking? This is random. so when they cremate you, and then all your ashes are mixed together, but what if they cremated you separately so you could get Merce’s feet?
Caitlin: You want to request, you get. I bet you have to pay a lot extra for that. Probably. That’s, like, an extra fee.
Caitlin: Okay.
Caitlin: Because then you have to run them in separate batches.
Sharon: Because he’s a dancer, so his feet.
Caitlin: You’re saying that’s the primo part?
Sharon: Yeah.
Caitlin: But if I don’t have a primo part with me, that’s okay. I don’t really want to be cremated.
Sharon: You don’t?
Caitlin: No.
Sharon: Why?
Caitlin: It’s terrifying.
Caitlin: You’re going to take, up space.
Caitlin: Yeah. M. You know how I love to have. Okay, you know that my weird thing is I like to have picnics at the cemetery. We’ve done that. We do this.
Sharon: Oh, I didn’t know that meant you wanted to be in a cemetery.
Caitlin: Yeah, because of my kids can come have a picnic by me. I’m less creeped out by the cemetery than I am. The idea of burning my body, that freaks me out for some reason. I don’t know.
Sharon: What if we set you off the sea when we did it?
Caitlin: I don’t want to be in the little plot.
Caitlin: Okay.
Sharon: Can we just cremate part of you?
Caitlin: Well, okay. You can have, like, a hand or a foot.
Caitlin: Okay. Thank you.
Caitlin: Pick your favorite. Okay, let’s talk about. Because I don’t think anybody wins there. Let’s talk about Sutton versus the dating app. So, at taco Tuesday, it comes up that Sutton had kissed her driver.
Sharon: Yeah.
Caitlin: So, see, she’s sharing things about her. So we also kind of learn through that and through other things that Sutton’s dating history is not going very well. She never gets that second the. She gets, like, what’s it called? A matchmaker.
Caitlin: Who comes out, says she’s supposed to hug the dates more.
Caitlin: That.
Caitlin: That’s maybe the problem here. I love when we tell women our problem is you’re not touching men enough. Like, come on. I think the problem is women are the ones who hire the matchmakers. But I think men really need the matchmakers. This bothers me a little bit. Anyway, she ends up with Steve. He’s the longest lasting. Like, what do we think about Sutton and this whole independent woman portrayal that she has this season. It’s hard to be her. She’s lonely.
Sharon: Yeah.
Caitlin: Is it overly dramatic?
Sharon: I feel two different ways about this. One hand, just because you’re money, just because you have money and you’re rich, doesn’t mean you don’t feel lonely or human emotions or fear or dependent on someone, just emotionally dependent. On the other hand, can you ever really be an independent woman when you’re getting 300,000, a month? And is it bad? That’s not bad.
Caitlin: No, that’s not.
Sharon: I almost feel like she’s, like, ashamed or.
Caitlin: Exactly. I think she shouldn’t look at the money as being the problem. Like, you’re owed what you’re owed. And I don’t think that she should feel bad. You can absolutely be an independent woman and take all the money. I think the issue is that she said she was relying so much on her ex husband. Like, the issue is that when he goes to leave, that’s when this panic sets in. And I don’t think Kyle understands that she’s upset about all these things. And I think the problem is she’s supposed to be over the divorce. And I think she completely put it in a purse up until right mean because she has that whole breakdown before Mrs. Ashes. She’s also mourning her divorce.
Caitlin: So I think the problem is not that she’s just realizing she’s lonely, and I think it’s that she’s realizing the marriage really is over. It’s kind of like, you know how Sonya? I mean, she held on for so long with that ex husband. I think it’s sort of like that. She just didn’t deal with it.
Sharon: So were they in good terms and then her ex? Cause I kind of got the feeling.
Caitlin: They weren’t, but it seems like they were at least communicating. And she said if she fell in the shower, he would at least drive down the road or something. They lived close to each other, which I didn’t quite catch onto that until this season.
Sharon: And then she was saying something like, oh, well, he was going to take my son. Which to me seemed a little like, yeah, okay, you have enough money, you can afford a lawyer. If your son didn’t want to go, you could surely. I felt like the point, your teenage son.
Caitlin: I felt like the point of that was that she was showing that he’d always pulled the strings, like he got the job. And his honest reaction was, well, you and our son need to pick up and move with me. We’re going to do things my way. I just think that’s what she was illustrating with that. The thing for me is that I assume she would lose the alimony if she got remarried. That’s almost always the case.
Sharon: Oh, really?
Caitlin: So a lot of women who get a lot of alimony, they have to decide when they get married. Do they really want to get married?
Sharon: Because they’re going to tell me who would give up that much money? You would be in sale.
Caitlin: Like, that’s part of the reason that second date. I think she kind of gets cold feet. I think she’s kind of like, this has to be so amazing that I’m willing to give up. You have to be worth this amount of money.
Sharon: She doesn’t have to marry, though.
Caitlin: She doesn’t, but she’s a good southern woman. But I do think that holds her back in it. I think she’s maybe already consigned herself to being single more than just the alimony.
Sharon: She must have got a huge chunk.
Caitlin: Of settlement or something, right?
Sharon: I mean, it’s not just that she’s getting that. Yeah, she had to have gotten a huge chunk of money.
Caitlin: I would think so. Unless he didn’t want to do it that way and he’d rather pay just the alimony.
Sharon: But then she wouldn’t have it written in that the alimony wouldn’t have been right.
Caitlin: That’s true. No, I think you’re right.
Sharon: I don’t know. I think she should be proud of her store.
Sharon: And a lot of stores don’t make it, so she really should be proud. However, I think she needs to acknowledge m that part of the reason is because she’s had this backing, financial backing.
Caitlin: And I think she doesn’t. I think maybe that’s what she’s doing this season is that she’s kind of like she’s being really honest about all of that so that she can now move forward. She’s honest about where the money is coming from. So now the rest of the work is her work. She’s putting the work behind it. Maybe she didn’t put in the money, but a lot of businesses are that way. You have an investor and then you take over.
Sharon: And again, just because so, just because she had the money again doesn’t mean she didn’t work hard.
Caitlin: Absolutely not. And I do feel like there is some part of her that maybe feels lesser compared to the other women because of that. And that’s not fair, especially in the housewives world. I think it’s fairly common because she.
Sharon: Had some comment like, oh, I don’t want to just sit around and plan galas or something.
Caitlin: Ah.
Sharon: I’m like, why not?
Caitlin: Sounds so fun. Well, because in the housewives, worlds, like, galas go really wrong. They go crazy. People get nuts.
Sharon: I mean, isn’t that every woman’s dream?
Caitlin: You would think the ball gowns. She’s already got Avi to help her. I mean, it’s not like she’s completely on her own. I love Avi, by the way.
Caitlin: I do, too. He cracks me.
Caitlin: I told you, we have that random picture. I took a picture of booth when we were at Bravocon. And at the time, we hadn’t seen the season. He wasn’t known to us. And later I looked back, and I was like, that’s Avi’s running the booth.
Sharon: I wish we had known.
Caitlin: I wish we had known. We would have gone, but I didn’t know.
Sharon: Next year.
Caitlin: Next year.
Sharon: Avi, can we see you in November?
Caitlin: Put her name on the list. Name them. Name us. You know who I’m not waiting for is Danielle Cabral’s booth. But we can talk about that later.
Caitlin: Okay.
Caitlin: All right. That is our episode on Sutton Streck. Is that how we decided we set her?
Sharon: That’s how we decided.
Caitlin: See, I felt like I had to say it, so you weren’t the only one saying it. And her issues from the season, I think it was a good season for her, though. And I’m excited because there’s been seasons. A lot of the past seasons, I have said, is she coming back? Oh, she’s definitely. And she’s definitely coming back, so I feel good about that.
Sharon: Well, no matter how you feel about her, she brought some good tv this time.
Caitlin: Exactly. All right, well, that is our episode. Remember, housewives bring the drama, but we bring the receipts.
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