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Cary’s husband may be from Switzerland, but they are not neutral when it comes to fighting off the constant attacks on their marriage.
In this episode, we discuss Cary Deuber storylines from Real Housewives of Dallas Season 1:
⚪Cary vs her marriage… ⚪Cary vs LeeAnne…
Caitlin: Did they name their daughter Zuri just because he’s from Zurich? Like, did they literally like, I’m Swiss, I’m from Zurich. We’ll name our daughter Zuri.
Sharon: I kind of wonder it, because I was like, Suri.
Caitlin: I was like, yeah, that’s because Suri is the only thing I can think of. Like Tom Cruise’s daughter. But you don’t get a lot of Zuri.
Sharon: You’re right. Maybe her name is Zurich and Zuri is just her nickname.
Caitlin: It could be. Her name is Zurich, Switzerland. Duber. That’s how you get dual citizenship. You can’t do it unless Petrie’s name is in your.
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Sharon: This episode, we’re digging into Carrie Duber from the Real Housewives of Dallas. Season one. Carrie is a surgical nurse to her plastic surgeon husband, Mark Duber. Mark is from Switzerland, and Carrie is super into yoga. They have one daughter, Zuri, not Suri. Zuri, currently, Carrie, is the lead injectables director at Lemon Avenue plastic Surgery and laser center in assistance surgery alongside mark at his practice.
Caitlin: Okay, I just had a thought. Now, we did our yearbook episode for Patreon, and we were talking about it, but you know who could have a crossover? It would be Carrie and Heather gay, because they’re both in the injectables business. Like, they could do a business crossover. That would be interesting.
Sharon: That would be interesting.
Caitlin: They could, like, share their tips.
Sharon: Uh-huh.
Caitlin: Not share their needles. That’s not. Okay. Okay. Our verses this week are Carrie versus her marriage and Carrie versus Leanne. All right, let’s talk about Carrie and her marriage to mark Duber. Just in general, what do we think about her marriage to mark? I like it better in season one. I like it better. I’ve already started watching season two again.
Sharon: Started watching season two?
Caitlin: Yeah.
Sharon: The whole thing with Carrie is strange, and it’s weird because, you know, we’re talking about season one, but we have seen this and we’re coming back and watching it, right? Cause I remember liking Carrie.
Caitlin: I love Carrie.
Sharon: And then when I came back and watched season one, I was like, I don’t particularly like Carrie. I mean, I like her, but I.
Caitlin: Guess I do, too.
Sharon: I like her as much as I thought I did.
Caitlin: She’s fun, but she wasn’t as fun. so initially, I think it’s that Carrie would make faces at Leanne, and her interviews were kind of snarky. So I think initially she kind of took on that role of, like, the viewer. You know, there’s always that person that’s kind of the viewer. But this time it was like, I realized, especially breaking it down like we do, she didn’t have a lot of storylines.
Sharon: No.
Caitlin: So then it was kind of like, well, I kind of like Carrie, but I can’t defend why.
Sharon: Yeah.
Caitlin: And then also, yeah, she’s kind of forgettable in the storylines that happen. So then it’s like, initially, I was like, why did they get rid of her later on in the seasons? And now I can kind of see why.
Sharon: Yeah, and because she’s not always, like, just, like, super, like, it’s like, I’m not always rushing to defend her.
Caitlin: Like, no.
Sharon: I don’t know.
Caitlin: Marriage is the focus of everything. It’s like, there’s, and so it’s, she’s not related to the other women as much because it’s like, all she’s doing is defending her marriage, which isn’t fair either. That does stink. But also, that’s kind of what her whole storyline is and then continues to be.
Sharon: Yeah. And her marriage, I just don’t fully understand her. I mean, every marriage is different.
Caitlin: It is.
Sharon: Theirs just seems particularly odd to me.
Caitlin: It does. And it’s like, I don’t have anything against, like, a guy being kind of metrosexual, but it’s just like, the way they relate to each other and the way they speak to each other is weird.
Sharon: That’s strange.
Caitlin: And that is strange. So Carrie’s been married three times. First to her college sweetheart. Second time she came home after three months and he was gone. What do you think she did?
Sharon: I don’t know. I feel like there’s more to that story.
Caitlin: I think there’s a lot more to that story. Like, he was just like, oh, you know, on second thought, I don’t know. Yeah, and that’s, like, before you even get your wedding photos back half the time. I know that takes three months.
Sharon: So maybe she just got annulled. I don’t know.
Caitlin: maybe he saw the wedding photos and they weren’t good.
Sharon: And then this was apparently scandalous.
Caitlin: Cause he was in Dallas society.
Sharon: Yeah, because he was married when they, well, she says they didn’t hook up when they were married.
Caitlin: Right. But did they? Didn’t they?
Sharon: Did they?
Caitlin: There’s a lot of questioning around that.
Sharon: Yeah.
Caitlin: And what I do think is a little unfair is, again, the storyline should be about the women.
Caitlin: And I’m not sure it’s fair to spend as much time as we do. Like, Mark almost becomes a character in season one, and that’s a little. Especially in the first season. That’s not what should be happening.
Sharon: Well, I think part of that is Carrie’s fault, though. She doesn’t seem to have her own.
Caitlin: Yeah, he’s her friend.
Sharon: Her own. Like, she doesn’t do anything by herself.
Caitlin: She doesn’t. She says they’re best friends and she does everything.
Sharon: Yeah. It’s like everything in our life seems about him.
Caitlin: You’re right. Everything is focused around him. Yeah, that’s true.
Sharon: And so I kind of feel like that’s on her.
Caitlin: Yeah. Do you think? Initially, I was kind of thinking that she’s sort of Lisa Barlow. There’s something about her that I kind of get that I know. Well, I take it back because she is so much less relevant. But initially, I kind of thought the, like, fashioniness and the way she kind of dresses and the kind of loving her family the way she did. Like, initially I thought maybe that’s why I liked her on the first watch. But then I realized she has no relevance. And Lisa has so much relevance. So it’s like, no, there’s not even a contest. But I think that’s what she was sort of trying to do. Like, I think that’s the role she would have liked to have played if she could have pulled it off.
Sharon: But Lisa has, like, a lightness to her. Even though Lisa can be dramatic, at least it’s funny. It’s like a lightness to her that Carrie does not.
Caitlin: Is Carrie funny? Just snarky.
Sharon: Snarky?
Caitlin: Yeah. I think she’s.
Sharon: I like snarky people.
Caitlin: Snarky.
Sharon: But I just don’t think. And then she can be a little sensitive.
Caitlin: I’m not sure. She can laugh at her hands. Lisa can laugh at herself. Yeah. Yeah. That is interesting. Okay. so mark and the fashion. Like, what do you think? Do you think he’s always been that way? Do you think he got that way when he got Carrie? Like, is she his Barbie doll? He just, like, wants to. She. His mannequin in the competition makes it.
Sharon: Sound like he was horrendously, poor, overweight, and, like.
Caitlin: Yeah.
Sharon: But then she talks about who. He’s a plastic surgeon, and he appreciates beauty. And I do think that does make sense. As someone who totally makes sense. Works in aesthetics, he probably. That’s a good trait. But then at the reunion, he’s like, oh, well, you know, I was at a bad point in my life. Wait, so maybe I’ll get that. Yeah, exactly. So maybe he had been. Let’s. Then he kind of fell into this thing, and then he came back out with Carrie.
Caitlin: That could be too. Like, it’s like when you lose a bunch of weight, and then all of a sudden, you kind of are more into fashion because you could wear the better stuff. And then she’s kind of fashionable. And maybe his other wife wasn’t as fashionable. I could not find anything on the first wife.
Sharon: Yeah, I. Doug, his other wife, like, made him miserable, and he wasn’t happy. And then, like, he was able to blossom when he. When he left her. I don’t know.
Caitlin: She was the magic gift for him. Did you like, or did you think it was uncomfortable? Cause Carrie kind of did. The amount of gifts and money that he spent on her that they showed on the show, I mean, in a way, I thought it was kind of sweet.
Sharon: I think it’s sweet. I mean, if they have the money, I don’t think it’s uncomfortable.
Caitlin: M what’s funny is I don’t think it is in modern things now. It seems to be like, oh, my husband bought me that. But it seemed like in the earlier things, it was almost like a bigger deal in a way now. I feel like housewives do that a lot more. Oh, my husband bought me a Birkin for me, you know, fourth down, and it’s, like, not a big deal, but, like, when she had the Cavalli guy come over, that was, like, a big deal. It’s like, maybe we hadn’t seen that before in the canon as much as, like we have now.
Sharon: Yeah.
Caitlin: Mark’s a chef. Marks everything that I think could be helpful. I do feel like Mark is helpful in, like, his hobbies.
Sharon: Yeah.
Caitlin: But I feel like. Could you be married to Mark?
Sharon: No, because I feel like he’s probably a little annoying.
Caitlin: I think he’s so annoying, and I don’t think we see it as much. M he hides it a little bit.
Sharon: In season one, and he’s clearly a perfectionist, which is your surgeon is a very good treat to have. But you could see how living with him, I’m sure it’s kind of, like, annoying.
Caitlin: I would have killed him over the moment when she got the cake for Zuri, and it was vanilla, and he’s like. And, you know, part of the reason she probably didn’t pick, like, you know, he probably isn’t, like, messes. Like, you know, he’s super tight, and he doesn’t want to mess. So, you know, part of the reason she picked it is so there wouldn’t be chocolate smeared all over everything. And then she picked wrong, because it turns out he loves chocolate, and he does want it smeared all over everything. So then when he said to Zuri, like, what would you have picked? And then knowing full well that she bought the vanilla cake, and then Zoe’s like, chocolate, and he’s like, see, mommy got the wrong. I would have gone. I could have had.
Sharon: Yeah. I can’t believe you did that.
Caitlin: I’m still, like, upset about it.
Sharon: Throwing something at him, throwing a piece of cake at him.
Caitlin: The other thing is, it’s like, I think one of the things that’s weird about them is, for some reason, they’re a little bit uncomfortable.
Sharon: Yes.
Caitlin: Yes.
Sharon: That is it.
Caitlin: And I don’t know, what it is about that, because when you think about, like, there’s so many housewives who take weird photo shoots and show off their body, but, like, their photo shoot, like, screamed, I’m married to a younger.
Sharon: Wife, and there is something awkward about them.
Caitlin: So. Forced or something. Yes.
Sharon: And there’s something about Carrie and loving her body. That’s for. I mean, I believe she does, and she is. But there is something weird about it.
Caitlin: She works hard. I mean, the yoga, it’s not like she’s just, like, having him, like, suction everything out of her. I mean, like, she really is working hard on her body, but it’s all, like, really. I don’t know if it’s, like, calculated or it’s awkward. It ain’t awkward.
Sharon: You were just coming out with all the right words. No, that is totally it. I couldn’t put my finger on it.
Caitlin: Cause I was like, something bothers me about it, but I don’t know what it is.
Sharon: I feel weird if I were around them, right.
Caitlin: And I think. I mean, do you think the other women kind of picked up on that vibe? Like, do you think they were a little uncomfortable around them, too?
Sharon: I think it’s possible.
Caitlin: I think it’s possible, too. I was kind of. I do kind of understand the friendship between, like, I do think brandi, Stephanie, and Carrie, do kind of make a good friend group together. Like, they’re very similar and they’re kind of party girls in a fun way.
Sharon: Yeah, I agree.
Caitlin: Yeah. Okay, so who wins in Carrie versus her marriage? I guess I don’t. I feel like when it’s marriage, nobody wins unless there’s a divorce. I mean, they’re still married.
Sharon: Yeah, they’re still married. and so I guess they’re all good. Yeah.
Caitlin: I mean, I think they worked out, and it is cool the way they work together. Like, it’s fun to see that dynamic.
Sharon: Yeah. I mean, it is, but at the same time, I wouldn’t want to do that.
Caitlin: No, I wouldn’t either, especially with a surgeon who’s probably as demanding as he is. All right, let’s talk about Carrie versus leann, because it’s kind of a continuation of the versus the marriage. So it’s really the rumors and the nastiness about her husband. See, there’s the crossover, and it’s really only the beginning, because we’re gonna continue to see this threat in leadership seasons. So, I mean, Carrie stirs the pot, and I think that’s the first issue with Leanne. Like, a part of me wonders if Leanne knows the ex wife more. I mean, did we kind of start to.
Sharon: I don’t know.
Caitlin: I don’t know either. I just. I couldn’t find the ex wife. I’m dying to find the ex wife, because I feel like maybe she was big in the charity world. And so Leanne has heard all these things, because clearly she’s heard something from Heidi Dillon.
Sharon: Yes.
Caitlin: Of my favorite goth state fair party with the, What’s it called? The tacos and the.
Sharon: The Frito pie.
Caitlin: The Frito pie. Walking taco. I was gonna say walking taco. That’s what we called it. Korean. it’s like, clearly there’s something there, and I think that Heidi Dillon is the ex wife. So I feel like Leigh Ann is wrapped up in that, because she’s so wrapped up in the old world, Dallas more than the new world. Whereas the other women are like, whatever, who cares? Lots of people have multiple wives. It doesn’t really matter. Not at the same time. Not at the same time. This isn’t salt lake.
Sharon: This isn’t salt lake. This is Texas.
Caitlin: But have had other marriages. but Carrie does stir the pot. Like, when Leanne goes out and she’s gonna. You know, she punches the trolley. Cause she gets all mad. It’s like, the first thing that Carrie said was, like, she spilled wine on my dress.
Sharon: Yeah, I know.
Caitlin: And it was just like, it was like, that was not the moment. But it’s like, you can tell, like, she just wants to push her buttons. So it’s like, I feel like Carrie wants to push Leann’s buttons, and Leann does, too. But Leann’s, like, better at it.
Caitlin: And so all of a sudden, it’s like, ooh, I really shouldn’t have pulled at that thread because she’s mean.
Sharon: Yeah.
Caitlin: And I think that’s the big problem.
Sharon: Agree.
Caitlin: what do we think about the whole Heidi Dylan and the goth state fair? Why did she say that Carrie would demo on a corn dog?
Sharon: No. I don’t know.
Caitlin: It was nasty. Underneath, it undercuts all of Leann and the whole Brandy and the pooh hat. Again, it’s like we’re acting like brandy shouldn’t have worn poop on her hat, which she probably shouldn’t.
Sharon: Yeah, but.
Caitlin: But then Leanne has all these awful stories, and she says things too, and then she’s hanging it with Heidi Dillon, who’s, like, offering this vulgar thing that wasn’t cool or classy or anything. It was so weird.
Sharon: When I heard that, I was like, where did that come from? It just seemed like, out of nowhere.
Caitlin: It’s like, I feel like Dallas is interesting because it seems like they’re not London. Who really wouldn’t deal with any of this stuff. It’s like it’s all under the table.
Sharon: It’s just so scary looking. That’s why she had to do God’s state fair, because she is terrifying looking. So she has to cover it up in this.
Caitlin: Like, maybe she’s a vampire. She’s like, finally. My people never get to go to the state fair because they don’t invite vampires. do we think they fooled around when they were married? Because that’s what Leann is, you know?
Sharon: I do.
Caitlin: Yeah. I mean, I think if not, there was, like, a moment, at least, where he was like, my nurse is really hot, or said something to his wife.
Sharon: That I imagine there was some kind of chemistry.
Caitlin: Exactly.
Sharon: I don’t think that it was, like, totally nothing. Nothing.
Caitlin: Yeah.
Sharon: Oh, now that I’m divorced, you suddenly look hot. Exactly. Want to date, you know?
Caitlin: And the thing that’s kind of funny to me is it’s like, as much as it matters, it doesn’t matter, because ultimately, he and the wife are divorced. Like, it’s one thing if someone had to tell the wife this was going on. that’s between she and Mark. And then also, like, he and Carrie do seem happy together. They do seem like they’re friends. They do work together. I mean, I’m sure maybe some stuff.
Sharon: Is going on all as well that ends well.
Caitlin: Exactly.
Sharon: Back’s wife’s probably happy to be away from.
Caitlin: Right.
Sharon: Mark?
Caitlin: It’s like they just make such a big deal about it. Were you shocked that Carrie broke down as much at the reunion as she? I was shocked by that.
Sharon: I was surprised.
Caitlin: I just, didn’t see her losing it and really crying about it that much. I know. Do you think she regretted her shading of Mark? Sometimes I wonder if she’s a little afraid of Mark, and in her moment, she’s kind of like. She spouts off in her interviews. It’s funny.
Sharon: Cause sometimes she likes to seem like Mark is. Like, she puts on that mark is really different. It’s like she’s trying to force us that Mark is, like, really Anne’s having sex or really. You know what I mean? Yeah.
Caitlin: And I don’t think Mark has a sense of humor.
Sharon: It’s almost too much.
Sharon: Like she’s trying to convince us of something.
Caitlin: Exactly. Why are we talking about it all the time?
Sharon: Okay.
Caitlin: What do you think Carrie did to these people like Leann, to have them hate her marriage so much? I mean, it really does feel like it comes out of left field, because it’s not like these people. I mean, I know they’ve sort of run in similar circles. but it’s not like she knew all these people for so long.
Sharon: So I think, like, I think I could probably be friends with Carrie and Mark. I get the feeling I could see Mark being extremely condescending, and I could see him maybe looking down on Leann and Leanne, feeling that that’s kind of the only thing I can.
Caitlin: That makes sense. I think that’s a good one, because, honestly, you’re right. Something has to cause people to want to be annoyed at them. Or maybe she asked for free plastic surgery. Cause she did have her ribs done later, and he said no, and then.
Sharon: She had to go get the flesh eating bacteria.
Caitlin: Exactly. Yeah. Look forward to that. Oh, also, fun fact. When I was trying to look up Mark’s ex. Ah. Carrie dated Lance Armstrong.
Sharon: What?
Caitlin: The bike guy? For six months. Like, right after he dated Sheryl Crowe.
Sharon: She does kind of look like Sheryl Crowe.
Caitlin: She does. Oh, my God. And then he plays Armstrong. Thought so, too. Yeah, but I guess he wasn’t over Sheryl Crowe, so that’s why that didn’t work. She also went on two dates with Derek Jeter of the New York met. Wait, how did she date, New York Yankees? I don’t know.
Sharon: How does she know?
Caitlin: This is what I want to know, because it’s one thing I’ll give you Lance Armstrong. He’s from Texas.
Sharon: Okay.
Caitlin: And I’m sure that’s kind of like, part of the thing. But where does Derek Jeter come into?
Sharon: Yeah, he’s, like, a big deal.
Caitlin: I feel like she made up Derek Jeter, but she did date Lance Armstrong.
Sharon: Okay, the Derek Jeter is a big thing.
Caitlin: That is a big thing.
Sharon: Okay. She was. Okay, you know what?
Caitlin: To be fair, she dated everybody.
Sharon: So if she dated Derek Jeter and this was in recent, she was not babysitting for months. Someone who dates does not babysit on the side.
Caitlin: Right? No, that’s a really good point.
Sharon: This just clears it all up.
Caitlin: Yeah, right. We just solved the mystery. You’re welcome. Yes. There’s no more to say.
Sharon: Is that the kids bed type story.
Caitlin: Dance coming back when mommy dated Lance Armstrong. Okay, so I guess who wins in Carrie versus Leanne? Ooh. Well, Leanne doesn’t outlast. Yeah, she outlasts and she’s meaner. And we’re still talking about the rumors, but I don’t think it makes Leigh M Anne look very good.
Sharon: No, it doesn’t. I mean, Leigh Anne ends up coming off poorly on the show.
Caitlin: Exactly. And I still end up liking Carrie more than I like Carrie.
Sharon: I mean, I guess in the end, I liked Carrie.
Caitlin: So, yeah, I kind of want to give it to Carrie. Cause I don’t want to give it to. Yeah, you don’t give it to the nasty lady.
Sharon: I feel a lot of ways about Carrie. I don’t know.
Caitlin: It’s interesting. Like, because she’s not super dimensional as a person. I don’t know. That’s the way to say it. But, like, she’s interesting because I don’t know how to categorize her. I don’t know what to do with her. I don’t know where to put her.
Sharon: Right. And it’s not because she’s, like, multifaceted. No, it’s not because it’s, like. Because she’s not interested.
Caitlin: Yeah, it’s probably like, people be like, I don’t know what to do with me. If I was on the show. They’d be like, I don’t know what to put her.
Sharon: She’s just kind of dull.
Caitlin: Glad she likes yoga, vanilla cake, taking.
Sharon: Pictures of her body.
Caitlin: But for the website. Yes. Which I didn’t get at first. It was actually better when it was just like, he likes photography.
Sharon: Yeah.
Caitlin: He thinks his wife is really pretty, and he just wants pictures of her. It was weirder when it was like, these are for our surgical website. Like, okay, so you guys are a little bit. I mean, that felt like, okay, that’s real clout. Chasing. Like, did we have to see that? Maybe just do that on the side, like, Or don’t explain what they’re actually for. And then later be like, they were so pretty. Yeah, we used them on the website. Like, it’s like, That just sounds. That sounds thirsty.
Sharon: Mark, her husband, is just like a. What do you call it? The man that can do everything.
Caitlin: Oh, a renaissance man.
Sharon: Renaissance man. Yes. He’s a chef. He’s a surgeon.
Caitlin: How does he have all the hours in the day? I guess he’s just busy kind of avoiding everything else in his life but those hobbies, I guess. All right, well, I guess let us know if anyone’s married to a Mark.
Sharon: Duber out there and can we get free plastic surgery?
Caitlin: Well, actually, I also like the injectables Carrie has.
Sharon: I would like that also.
Caitlin: Lemon Avenue plastic surgery. All right, well, that is our episode of Carrie Duber on season one of Dallas. We’re going to launch into season two of Dallas because everything gets juicier and all these issues become bigger and more tea spilling esque. Or like, what do they drink in Texas?
Sharon: Whiskey.
Caitlin: Spelling esque.
Sharon: sweet tea.
Caitlin: Sweet tea. There we go. That’s good. They’re spilling the sweet tea, but that’s funny because they’re not super sweet. All right, remember, housewives bring the drama.
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