Kenya Moore’s “Game Get Some” book cover

If you miss the days of reading a Seventeen magazine with your bestie, this book club is for you! We discuss Real Housewives of Atlanta Kenya Moore’s book and see if she can teach us how to get some game.

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Caitlin: I’ll spend less time googling puddin in this version of our. Maybe we’ll just mention it and let it go.

Sharon: Or be like, let it go, dumplin it’s not like us. Dumplin pudding.

Caitlin: There’s no g on pudding.

Sharon: How do you make pudding? Thomas likes pudding. I don’t like pudding. Sharon wouldn’t let Thomas buy a giant bat of pudding.

Caitlin: But is it cause it was missing.

Sharon: A g or is that both? Hi, this is Caitlin and this is Sharon.

Caitlin: And welcome to Real Housewives on Real Housewives, where we unravel housewives story threads and keep the tea blowing.

Sharon: So chic.

Caitlin: Hold onto your reading glasses.

Sharon: Today we’re digging into game get some what women really want by Kenya Moore from Real Housewives of Atlanta. and she’s been on many seasons. She’s coming back next season, and she’ll also be on season three of traders.

Caitlin: I’m very excited for that.

Sharon: So, according to the dusk jacket game gets em. an obvious play on words is the quintessential and entertaining how to guide, written by Kenya Moore. Because no one man can know everything there is to know about women. But with my help, you will come very close.

Caitlin: Quite the statement.

Sharon: Yeah.

Caitlin: Was written in 2007, which surprised us, because from reading it, we almost thought it was like 1997.

Sharon: Yes. I really thought it was older.

Caitlin: Yeah. That gets me a little bit, but all right. it was reviewed on the back by Ludacris and T. Paine, which I like. Do you think they read it? No, no, they skimmed it. They spent a lot of time looking at the COVID Exactly.

Sharon: They’re like, great cover.

Caitlin: Okay, we’re going to take this a little bit differently, because our take is that this is more guide than book.

Sharon: Yes.

Caitlin: So let’s first start, just to give you an idea. How long did it take us to finished this book?

Sharon: Like ten minutes.

Caitlin: I know I was like, to be kind. I’m gonna say under 30, but I think I put it down. It’s a skimming book. Like, it’s a. It’s a 17 magazine that goes too.

Sharon: Far and too long. It’s like.

Caitlin: It’s like the encyclopedia version. Yes, it is.

Sharon: Like a magazine. Pointers, quizzes is exactly what it feels like.

Caitlin: Cause even the categories feel like you just kind of flip to a new.

Sharon: Article in the magazine, which actually, I kind of like. Okay.

Caitlin: Because it’s how a guidebook could go.

Sharon: You could skip around. You don’t really have to sit and read or concentrate too much.

Caitlin: Yeah.

Sharon: It’s good for people like Kyle. That’s right. No, but it’s good for people like me, because I think for guys, that might just be kind of like, eh.

Caitlin: Cause maybe even picking up the book is difficult. Then you can at least get to the parts you need. do you think, speaking of guys, it’s written for guys, but she kind of said girls could enjoy it, too. Like, who do we think is the audience here?

Sharon: I think the audience was men. But then occasionally, she lost the direction of who she was speaking to. And I think that was not intentional. I think it was just a mistake where she kind of actually spoke to women. Not that it’s bad. I, think for women, it’s fun also, because you almost get by learning what men don’t know about women, you almost learn about men. Does that make any sense?

Caitlin: Yes, it does.

Sharon: It’s like the reverse of it. Yes. So it’s all kind of interesting. And I don’t think any men actually bought this book.

Caitlin: Yeah, I mean, you had to think that she was probably going to assume that the housewives audience is, like, the number one readership. And maybe she was picturing, they’ll buy it, they’ll give it to their husbands, and maybe they’ll read it together. So maybe that’s why she walked that line a little bit. Or maybe she wrote it and then the last minute decided, no, this should just focus on men. but it is interesting because it’s like, she’s a celebrity, but she’s a bravo. Liberty. She’s our kind of celebrity. It’s like, I’m not sure that her name gets this book out to men, if you know what I mean. It gets it out to women, who then need to get it out to men. It’s an interesting marketing.

Sharon: So basically, the women have to tell the men how to, how to be attractive. Right? I’m gonna read you this book. Can you like some of these pointers?

Caitlin: Okay, let’s just talk about our overall impressions and not focus directly on, like, best or worse.

Sharon: But, yeah, overall impressions. I like it. It was fun. it has a lot of questions, so it’s fun to play around. Like, Caitlin and I, we’re just kind of like, oh, did you see this part? We asked each other some of the questions, and we’re gonna ask also.

Caitlin: Yeah, it’s very light. It’s funny. I mean, it’s very Kenya like. It sounds like her. You can hear her voice in it. The thing that drove me crazy was she has these unverified statistics, and we even googled one, and it kind of maybe matched up. Like, you’ve got it. You have to state where you’re getting these facts.

Sharon: Not only does she not cite it, you know, sometimes in the back, they’ll be like, these are some of the resources we used, even though you should cite specifically. But there wasn’t even that. There was literally.

Caitlin: And especially when it’s nonfiction. Like, if this was fiction, you don’t have to. But when it’s nonfiction, you need to say, unless you have a background of, like, oh, look, I’m actually, ah, I study this as, like, a professional. Like, she doesn’t. She’s an actress, and she’s on, you know, reality tv. Like, she either needed somebody to back her up, or she needed to be like, well, but look, I read all these studies, and here they are. Not just, I made this statistic up where I read it once in people magazine. Like, that’s not gonna fly.

Sharon: No.

Caitlin: Okay. Were there any parts that we really need to talk about? Yes.

Sharon: So what I wanna do is, I want us to go through some of the questions of the book. Cause that’s what made this book fun.

Caitlin: Exactly.

Sharon: I like that. So she does say to men, you need to ask women about themselves, which I think is good.

Caitlin: You talked a lot about them being good listeners.

Sharon: Yes. Cause I say, that’s a guy that doesn’t listen to them. So here’s some of the questions that you should ask a woman. I’m gonna ask you a couple.

Caitlin: Caitlin, I’m on the side.

Sharon: What are you most afraid of?

Caitlin: See, this is right out the gate. I’m overthinking it because I’m thinking, like, ooh, do I say, like, really things that scare me? Like, I don’t wanna mess up my kids for life? Or do I just say, like, make sure there’s no snakes in my shoes?

Sharon: Well, I think I know mess with kids for life will, like, turn the guy off. Exactly. Snakes and shoes. He’s like, I can help you with that. I look at your shoes every night.

Caitlin: Unless he’s like, no, I don’t want snakes.

Sharon: Yeah, he’s like, I scared of it.

Caitlin: Then you’d also find out. Or if he said, I have a pet snake, then I would know to just immediately m take him off that list.

Sharon: was she a tomboy or a prissy girl?

Caitlin: Okay, I thought I was a prissy girl, but I think I was a tomboy. Like, I loved jeans. I loved running around. I fell down a lot in the dirt. I think I was more of a tomboy.

Sharon: Oh, do you have a MySpace page. Now we know the era.

Caitlin: I guess I never closed it out, so. Yes, I do.

Sharon: It’s still there somewhere.

Caitlin: And I don’t know who my top ten friends are. I bet I’m not still friends with those top ten people.

Sharon: Yeah, exactly. I never had a MySpace page.

Caitlin: I think I did. I can’t remember if I had one. Or I just lurked. You probably. I probably did. I’m sure I was friends with that Tom guy. Wasn’t everybody’s friends. Oh, what historical person would you want to meet, man or woman? She said those are the choices.

Sharon: Oh, yeah.

Caitlin: Abraham Lincoln.

Sharon: I don’t know. I just think he’s really interesting.

Caitlin: That just seems so.

Sharon: You were so sure. No, I really, really want aim a baby ian. I have this weird thing about how he was, like, had all these dark mental depression and today, would that prohibit you from being elected? You know what I mean? Yes.

Sharon: I don’t know.

Caitlin: It’s a different era and a different. And.

Sharon: Yeah, he was so important, I could get that.

Caitlin: Who do you have a girl crush on?

Sharon: Oh, the girl from that one fashion show. Is it Alexa Chung or whoever?

Caitlin: Oh, from that.

Sharon: I don’t know why.

Caitlin: Yeah, she’s very pretty.

Sharon: I just think she’s really pretty.

Caitlin: We were saying this is a little dated in time because it asks questions like Michael Jackson or prince, Marianne or Ginger, which we figured out was from. Oh, she had like, that shipwreck. Yeah.

Sharon: I was like, it’s that shipwreck train.

Caitlin: Hillary or Barack? Those were a little bit weird. yeah, because I don’t get why.

Sharon: It’S like Hillary or Bill.

Caitlin: Like, why Hillary, I’m not sure teaches you about something necessarily. Okay, let’s leap ahead from the questions to this. Says it’s our emotional paradigm, but it’s what women need to feel and men need to feel and women need to show and men need to show. So the feelings for women is that we need to feel cherished, adored, safe, supported, and understood.

Sharon: I agree with all that.

Caitlin: Men need to feel respected, powerful, admired, and sexually desired.

Sharon: I mean, sure, but don’t they also want to feel, like, understood and saved?

Caitlin: Yeah, I feel like that’s really putting men in a very. I don’t know, that feels like they’re putting in a very masculine category. Like, I, don’t understand.

Sharon: I think they want those things, but I don’t know why they also wouldn’t want.

Caitlin: Right. And can women not want to be respected or powerful? Like, I just feel like there’s some crossover of those categories. Like, I just feel like you should put both.

Sharon: Yeah.

Caitlin: Like, both want this, both want to be respected, both want to be cherished. Both want to be this. But they desire it in different methods. Like, there’s probably different ways of getting to it, but I think the word should be the same, maybe.

Sharon: Yeah.

Caitlin: Yeah. Okay. Women need to show men faith, confidence, trust, and admiration. Men need to show women patience, understanding, acceptance, dedication, and stability. I mean, I do just feel like you’re kind of saying, like, that women turn to men for their stability.

Caitlin: And men turn to women to, like, push up their egos. And I’m not sure that’s really fair. Apparently, men’s greatest fears are rejection, failure, inadequacy, and submission or loss of control. Women’s are fear of not being heard, not being loved, not being cherished, not being valued.

Sharon: See, but I see a lot of those as the same. Fear of failure.

Sharon: Like, fear of not being loved. Like, almost the same thing.

Caitlin: It’s like, I agree. Failure is like, not being hurt or not being valued. I agree. One of men’s deepest fears in a relationship is thinking his woman feels that he’s not good enough. Okay. And I respect that. Yeah, I do. But sometimes it drives me nuts when it’s like, I feel like you’re putting even more on women’s plate. Like, your guy’s not happy. And also, it’s up to you to make sure that he’s happy enough. But, like, who’s in charge of my happiness?

Sharon: Oh, you are.

Caitlin: Yes, but also, you’re in charge. Like, how many people’s happiness do I have to be responsible for? Like, that’s a lot for women. And I do feel like that kind of puts. I don’t really disagree with a lot of what she said, but this category is a little weird to me.

Sharon: It does feel a lot like you have to build them up.

Caitlin: Yes. And it seems like they need a.

Sharon: Lot of ego boosting.

Caitlin: I mean, maybe I’m just really tired. It’s late at night, we’ve already put our kids to bed. But this just sounds exhausting to me. Like, I don’t need to raise your child’s. I’m raising mine well.

Sharon: And again, I want them to boost me up.

Caitlin: Exactly. I don’t feel good about myself. I don’t have a huge majority of the time.

Sharon: I want someone to worship me.

Caitlin: Apparently, the personality trait that women find most, sexy in men is his confidence.

Sharon: I would agree with that.

Caitlin: I do think confidence goes a long way, but I think that. I think, again, it cuts both ways. Yeah. Like, men don’t want women who go, oh, I just hate everything about myself. I don’t like my nose and I don’t like this, and I don’t like my. That they don’t want that either. So maybe the real secret of this book is that we’re not that different.

Sharon: Except we really, really are. Good, caitlyn. Good one. I like that.

Caitlin: One of the moments, like, I do want to give her kudos on one thing I liked. She had this whole part about complimenting women, and she had, in specific, complimenting dark skinned women. And I think that that was really important. Like, that was one of the moments. It’s just hard because it’s like, we talked about that, and she also goes into diseases and, like, diagrams about your body and everything, and all that’s really important information. But it’s hard in this book to take that real seriously. It’s an odd. It doesn’t fit in as well. And like you’d said, they put it at the end of the book. Yes. And you’re getting a little tired.

Sharon: I kind of feel like they would have been better instead of all this information about diseases and stuff if she had just put a few statistics. This is truly for men. Catch the men’s attention, they go, You know, I’m gonna make sure that doesn’t happen to me because no one’s gonna actually sit there and read all that text. It’s boring.

Caitlin: and I thought maybe at one point, like she’d said or something said, you know, like, that the statistics in different communities are worse for certain things and that there was information that needed to get out. Okay, so like you said, shock us with those statistics. Like, we’re missing this. Nobody’s paying attention to this. This is slipping by. Like, but don’t sitting. I mean.

Sharon: Ah.

Caitlin: And also, we had the Internet in 2007, people couldn’t Google stuff. So it’s like you just, like you’re saying you need to explain why it’s important and not just, here’s the information.

Sharon: And also, I guess I get kind of annoyed when everyone thinks they have to have a responsibility.

Sharon: Just because they bring up the topic.

Caitlin: Yeah.

Sharon: Do they have a responsibility to educate us on everything?

Caitlin: Not always.

Sharon: Sometimes I feel like in this book, I don’t know. Yeah, it’s a little like. No, what’s the word? Condescending.

Caitlin: I don’t know.

Sharon: It’s like you can just talk to me about relationship stuff without then lecturing me right.

Caitlin: That’s true, too. Yes.

Sharon: And like, you’re my parent or something.

Caitlin: You’re right. A lot of it came off very parent. Yeah. Kind of like, you know, like, I’ve looked at some books, like, you know, like trying to explain things to boys as, like they get older. Like, as a mom, like, how do you. It’s like. Or maybe just like, look at this book. I don’t want to explain it. You know, and a lot of them are kind of like diagrams and stuff.

Sharon: Are you going to get this? I mean, maybe.

Caitlin: Yeah, I guess I’ll take it home. Maybe it’s like, maybe what she says that women do have a natural inclination to treat like men as children. Like, maybe she does too.

Sharon: The book is a little bit that way, too. You’re right.

Caitlin: Because now I am thinking. Cause I just kept thinking, well, it’s kind of for newly dating men, like younger men. This doesn’t seem like it’s for older men. But then that kind of gives you the thought that it’s for younger. It does sort of feel like a younger, like you’d give someone, like, coming out of college that. Here’s all the information.

Sharon: Here’s the graduation. Your graduation gift.

Caitlin: Because I’m not having this discussion with you.

Sharon: Here you go.

Caitlin: Do you think there was anything that made the book particularly, like, unique compared to other guidebooks about things? Like, in general?

Sharon: I thought it was maybe a little sillier.

Caitlin: It sounded like more light hearted.

Sharon: More lighthearted, I guess I would say not silly in that. Okay. It had some actual good info, like, be confident. But she had, like, some scripts for.

Caitlin: Like, how should you discuss things and. Yeah, I don’t know.

Sharon: I just feel like it didn’t take itself too serious. But until, it got to the end part, it did start taking itself too serious.

Caitlin: It did. And I feel like at that point, it’s sort of where I don’t understand where her audience is, too. Because you kind of had us, like you said in the beginning of the book, like, there’s questions and there’s like, men are from Mars, women are from Venus. Like ideas and paradigms. But then you get to the back and it’s like, well, now all of a sudden, I’m in a science textbook and I have to sit through health class. Like, I don’t want to sit through health class. I sat through health class where when.

Sharon: She had the questions and stuff, what it kind of reminded me, you know, they sell those games that are kind of fun. It’s like ways for couples questions to ask each other to get closer.

Caitlin: Like, in the car, like car games, kind of.

Sharon: Or, like, you guess what the other person’s gonna like. Those are really fun. And it had that fun vibe to it.

Caitlin: Yes. And then we lost that. It’s like, there had to have been a way to, like you said, throw in some statistics and some facts as you’re going that get the job done. without, like, here’s a drawing of parts. Literally. Literally drawings of parts. You might not want to read it on the subway.

Sharon: Oh. One thing I did like, is she lists where to meet women.

Caitlin: Oh, yeah.

Sharon: But it’s this really bizarrely specific list of, like, everywhere. Everywhere you could ever go. It’s like she walked down the street and just wrote down everything she walked by. Hair salon, nail salon, car wash. Vegas learning annex.

Caitlin: Vegas is specific.

Sharon: Yeah. What is a learning annex?

Caitlin: It’s where you go to take adult classes. It’s like a New York thing? More like, I only know because in friends, Joey taught a soap opera acting.

Sharon: Class at, like, a learning edit. So it’s like a community center, kind.

Caitlin: Of like a community college, but, like, that isn’t a college.

Sharon: Okay.

Caitlin: Like, not an accredited, like, credit, but it’s like. It’s like grown up, like, college classes.

Sharon: We don’t have that here.

Caitlin: We don’t have that here. So you’re not going to meet guys there.

Sharon: So that’s given.

Caitlin: Do you have any lingering questions after finishing the book?

Sharon: Yes. Okay. So I noticed on the back of the book, it has, you know, books have prices. Like, on them, it says $15.95 now. This is in 2007.

Caitlin: Yeah. That’s, like, maybe this was sold in college bookstores.

Sharon: That’s, like, 15 years ago. That’s a lot. Okay. It’s, like, a really thin.

Caitlin: It’s interesting to me because it looks like those self published on Amazon, but not quite. It does.

Sharon: It looks self published, but the cover’s a little off.

Caitlin: Like, you’d noted the kerning of, like, the letters. It’s pulled off weird.

Sharon: It has to do with the margins. I can’t,

Caitlin: There’s weird air at the bottom. There’s, like, no air at the top.

Sharon: Yes. It’s like the letters go too far from the side. Kind of like. Kind of like, you know, something is printed slightly askew. It’s a little askew. Yeah, it’s kind of got that vibe to it.

Caitlin: So then to pay $15.99 for that, I mean, was she carrying, like, was she hoping to get all her money back based 100% on profits.

Sharon: Yeah.

Caitlin: I can’t quite tell if it’s self.

Sharon: I think it was a.

Caitlin: What do you feel like?

Sharon: Not a volume. It was a.

Caitlin: Okay.

Sharon: She was gonna sell a few high, low, low, high.

Caitlin: It’s a pyramid scheme, and it’s like dark horse publishing. And I don’t know if we should have looked, but I feel like that’s probably not a huge. It’s not penguin.

Sharon: It’s not penguin. They’re like a,

Caitlin: It’s not random house, black and white bird publishing. It’s a total knockoff.

Sharon: Tuxedo bird. Tuxedo bird.

Caitlin: Okay. My lingering question is that at one point in the book, she references this movie, and she’s like, oh, I’m gonna do a total, like, selfish shout out. And it’s. The website is called pudding the movie. Now, initially, guys, I got confused, and I searched pudding with a g. I fixed that. Still couldn’t find it. And she calls it planet pudding. is the movie planet pudding?

Sharon: She wrote, this is the natural order of things on planet puddin. And then in parentheses, puddingthemovie.com, in theaters next year. Shameless plug.

Caitlin: As near as I can tell, it did not make it to theaters. I think I’m pretty good at the Internet. I could not find Planet Puddin. I kept getting dumplin movie. I got some cartoon about pudding that looked like the gingerbread man running away, but it was like, pudding. I can’t find this. Even when I searched her name with it, it doesn’t exist. This is a made up. No. I don’t know what happened.

Sharon: So I kind of feel like it’s really sad because it’s like you counted your chickens before they’ve hatched or whatever. You’re like, oh, coming out next year. And then it never made it.

Caitlin: No. And what’s weird is what came in this book is a little flyer, like, thickly published, paper laminated thing for the movie, the confidant.

Sharon: uh-huh

Caitlin: And we can’t figure out did, like, do you think she just, like, stuffed them in all of her own books?

Sharon: I don’t know. Cause it says available August 24, 2010.

Caitlin: What if this book had never been read? But, I mean, who. We can’t. Like, who owned our book before?

Sharon: I wanna know who owned this book. So we got it from some random, like, you know, whatever. The cheapest, cheapest seller. Total shipping plus price together is the cheapest, cheap.

Caitlin: Householdbooks.com. Bookholders.com, which I’ve never heard of, sale on planet Puddin.

Sharon: And, yeah, I want to know who owned this?

Caitlin: Because why did we get. It’s a Kenya movie, to be clear.

Sharon: It’S a Kenya movie called confidant, but it’s not Puddin.

Caitlin: Now, it does have the guy from Titanic and Zoolander.

Sharon: Yes. It says, when your closest friend becomes your worst.

Caitlin: Yeah. It looks more intriguing than Putin.

Sharon: There were no highlights or dog years in this book, so clearly, they did not take notes.

Caitlin: No. And if they did, they did not take them well enough to get game, I guess. I would guess. let’s judge the book by its cover, because that’s our favorite part. We judged the kerning a little bit. But let’s talk about Kenya. Does look very beautiful.

Sharon: She does look beautiful. It’s a picture of her mostly. like, her top half.

Caitlin: You pointed out that the part that men often like is right in the.

Sharon: Center of the book. But she looks gorgeous. And then the game gets them is in this sort of sports type font. You can imagine.

Caitlin: It’s like a letterman’s jacket font. Yes.

Sharon: That’s it.

Caitlin: She’s smizing. She is smizing.

Sharon: And there is something, like we said, a little self published about it. It’s thin.

Caitlin: Yeah. And the other reason we think so is on the back, they call the title game comma. Get some. Yeah. On the front, it’s just game. Get some. It’s just game.

Sharon: Get some. Like, it should have a comma or a colon or a.

Caitlin: Someone on the front didn’t work with the person on the inside.

Sharon: Or they just didn’t know how to fit it because they were having those spacing issues with this.

Caitlin: The whole thing. The whole problem. We don’t think there’s a ghostwriter. And it doesn’t. It sounds like Kenya Rhodes.

Sharon: It does sound like her.

Caitlin: Okay. Real housewives. Unreal housewives. Thumbs up or thumbs down. I kind of don’t know where to land with this, honestly.

Sharon: I don’t either. I mean, I wouldn’t pay $16.

Caitlin: Yeah. I wouldn’t say rush out and go get it.

Sharon: I mean, I think you could live.

Caitlin: Your life without it.

Sharon: Exactly. But I’d say if you saw it for a couple of bucks, it might be fun just to buy it and maybe read it with your guy.

Caitlin: That m might be more fun.

Sharon: Yeah.

Caitlin: I guess I wouldn’t say to a single guy, like, go get this buck. You need it.

Sharon: Right.

Caitlin: But, like, I think, like, a couple.

Sharon: Could rate it together.

Caitlin: That would be fun. I agree. If you’re housewives fans again, it’s not, like, little niche market where it’s, like, you kind of have to care about the celebrity.

Sharon: If you weren’t a house size fan, you would probably be like, what?

Caitlin: Who are you?

Sharon: Why are listening to you?

Caitlin: Yep. Unless some guy was just really like, oh, she’s pretty. And it says, I’m going to get some games.

Sharon: I guess I’ll get this book.

Caitlin: That’s the other way I could see this guy. All right, that is our book on Kenya’s game. Get some.

Sharon: Yep.

Caitlin: Remember, housewives bring the drama, we bring the receipts.

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