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Episode 2: Kyle & Mauricio. If you’re looking for a wrap up on what we learned about Kyle and Mauricio’s relationship - - this is the episode for you! We dig into all the details that Real Housewives of Beverly Hills Season 13 missed.

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Caitlin: It was, interesting because I think that this is the issue.

Sharon: Like, what does it mean besides counseling? They did counseling?

Caitlin: Yeah.

Sharon: Well, I don’t think counseling doesn’t work for everybody.

Caitlin: No, it doesn’t.

Sharon: I mean, like, some people just. It’s not their jam.

Caitlin: What was interesting is it’s like, you know, there was a point. It’s with the gong.

Caitlin: It is.

Caitlin: Did you not. Did you disagree? Is that how you’re gonna disagree now on our show? We should get a gong. Okay, awesome.

Sharon: Thanks, Thomas.

Caitlin: Hi. This is Caitlin.

Sharon: And this is Sharon.

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Sharon: This week, we’re digging into binding Beverly Hills season two.

Caitlin: The verses this week are Mauricio versus Kyle and the Umanskis versus their kids. So this is like our part two of buying Beverly Hills season, part two of two. And we wanted to take one episode where it’ll be kind of like a, we watched it so you don’t have to. This is going to be our episode where we focus on Mauricio and Kyle and the information that we learned through buying Beverly Hills season two that we didn’t get, from this last season of Real Housewives of Beverly Hills. So I felt like. And I don’t know if you felt this way, too, but I felt like we got more from the couple in this show than we did on Real Housewives of Beverly Hills. Would you agree?

Caitlin: Yeah.

Sharon: It seemed like Kyle talked about it more, and they were together on this show.

Caitlin: Yeah. I thought what was kind of interesting is it’s almost like it was a more gentle roll up. The way that real Housewives of Beverly Hills started, it was like that immediate separation. And then they go back in time, and they did that same, idea here because they started out, and then they went six months earlier, but at the same time, the whole show was more gentle in the roll up to the separation, whereas on Beverly Hills, it was just like, bam. They’re separated.

Caitlin: Bam.

Caitlin: We’re all complaining about it. Bam. What’s going on?

Sharon: What’s going on?

Caitlin: And this was like, oh, look, they’re kind of normal for a second. And like, oh, they’re still, Actually, they can be in the same room, and it’s not. It also didn’t feel as awkward. We didn’t have, like, awkward kiss and the awkward talking about this and the pauses. And it was not as weird.

Sharon: Yes.

Caitlin: As it was on Beverly Hills.

Sharon: Well, in the beginning of this one, it actually seemed like maybe they could work it out.

Caitlin: And there was a chance that he.

Sharon: I know, and I don’t know if that’s just because, like, it was shown differently or. Yeah, yeah.

Caitlin: But there was a crossover because she was filming and she had to pick cameras back up when they were about eight episodes in. She was like, I’m going back to pick up cameras after the season had wrapped. So for a second I thought, oh, this is so much earlier, but that’s not true. So it is weird that we saw this so differently. Maybe editors can be to blame a.

Sharon: Little, but maybe it’s because on, Beverly Hills we saw Kyle having to answer to her friends.

Caitlin: Yes.

Sharon: Here we’re only seeing Kyle really with Mauricio. We saw her with the girls like once maybe. Right. Once or twice at the dinner. Most of the time it was Mauricio talking to the girls.

Caitlin: Yes. Which was interesting too. So we got a side of it that we didn’t get on Beverly Hills, which is nice. So we start out with the season knowing that they’re just having problems and that Mauricio is under a lot of stress. So the whole season begins with Mauricio telling the girls, okay, I thought this was interesting too. He kept saying, I had an amazing 26 years with your mom. Kyle kept saying, 27 years. It just, it was funny. Cause it’s like they just counted the time differently. And that was funny to me. But like Kyle said to him, I need space. The rules are you go out, you date, I won’t ask what you’re doing. I don’t want you to ask me what I’m doing. We’re separated. She wanted the separation. He made that very clear. And that he might go spend time in Aspen to clear his head. you can tell the girls are really sad. And then we get a, you know, six months earlier sign and we begin the whole buying Beverly Hills season.

Caitlin: Mauricio, also says, she’ll always be the love of my life.

Sharon: That was sad. That bummed me out.

Caitlin: It was sad watching his talking head. Sadder than it was watching Kyle’s talking?

Caitlin: Yes.

Sharon: Because I think she’s clearly the one who wants out.

Caitlin: Uh-huh.

Caitlin: I think she processed it for longer. Like Kathy said, she’s probably been thinking about this for years and that is not the case with Mauricio.

Sharon: And, one thing I found really interesting is because, you know, part of Kyle’s season on Beverly Hills is they’re like, oh, she works out now all the time and she’s different. She doesn’t. And Mauricio actually brings that up. He says, like, she’s super into working out. She doesn’t drink anymore and she wants to, like, stay home all the time. And he said, I’m not ready to give that part of my life up.

Caitlin: I thought that was really interesting when he said that.

Sharon: Cause then I was wondering, like, okay, well, maybe you guys can just, like, chill apart for ten years and then come back together.

Caitlin: Exactly.

Sharon: It’s like, you know what I mean?

Caitlin: Why can’t he just be like, well, she doesn’t really go to the parties with me anymore. I m mean, sometimes couples make that choice, but we kind of hit a point in our relationship where David was like, I’m busy at work. I can’t always travel with you. But then there’s times when I want to travel, so then I’ll just go without the kids. But that doesn’t mean, like, oh, everyone should be guessing what’s going on because we’re not traveling together. Like, you can make those choices. I like doing it. He doesn’t. It’s a choice.

Sharon: But I don’t think she’s. I think he might be okay going out without her. But she’s the one who’s not okay.

Caitlin: Okay. I think you’re right. That’s an issue.

Sharon: I don’t know. Cause she wants him to be both.

Caitlin: Have to be okay with it.

Sharon: Yeah. She’s not like, oh, go.

Caitlin: You know, but it’s like, you think there isn’t maybe a way that they could, like, cherish their time together? Like, just because you’re busy in other things, like, you don’t have to be together twenty four seven and it’s just too bad, but that’s just an excuse to. Well, and like, Mauricio said that to Farrah at one point because she said, well, like, you guys are just, are never home. You’re both just so busy. Like, you’re just passing constantly. And he’s like, well, doesn’t the fact that neither of us is slowing down to make time for the other person say something? And it was like, yeah, it does say something.

Sharon: yeah, they don’t want to.

Caitlin: Do you think this was better than what we saw on real Housewives of Beverly Hills?

Sharon: I liked it better because I felt like I saw more of a picture of the relationship as opposed to just Kyle side.

Caitlin: Exactly. It didn’t feel, yeah, that felt so one sided. And this felt because we’d seen Kyle’s. Maybe if we’d just seen this, we would have been like, what’s going on with Kyle? However, we did see Kyle. Yeah, we did see them interact. We didn’t get that much on the show. On Beverly Hills. Like, they were almost never together when they were. It was so awkward. I could barely watch.

Sharon: I did like when Kyle puts on like this, like, what do you call it? Apron. And Mauricio’s like, you can borrow that. I’m getting that in divorce.

Caitlin: I don’t know.

Sharon: The way he says, funny.

Caitlin: That second I thought, oh no, they’re joking about divorce. So they are a little more serious.

Sharon: Yeah, exactly.

Caitlin: It was also interesting. So at the very beginning episodes, we see Mauricio talking to Kyle in their bedroom. He’s talking about the travel stress, which was also kind of nice to see because they both kept talking so much on Beverly Hills. Like, it was just a fact. There’s travel stress. We’re both gone. And he said, I had a breakdown of the office. I lost it. I’m curious to see what it’s like when Mauricio loses it. Does he get really angry? I mean, what is a Mauricio losing it?

Sharon: Because he, I can’t really picture.

Caitlin: He does seem so calm and in control. I’m curious because everyone looked like, oh yeah, that’s a mess.

Sharon: Yeah.

Caitlin: Like, I want to know what that meant.

Sharon: I love that shot of him like meditating or whatever in the office. And they’re all like, is he okay?

Caitlin: Melting down?

Caitlin: Yeah.

Caitlin: he’s just made me laugh. But like, he says to her, like, well, you’re gorgeous in your piamis or whatever. He said, like pajamas or something cute. But he was still being cute with her. But she wasn’t being as like dismissive as we saw her on the show. And they still got in the same bed together. They did kiss goodnight. I was like, finally. Cause it just felt like a, I needed a little bit of a warm up to the separation. But she does say no to the second kiss. But they were joking. And he was joking. You’re being mean. But then he says, sometimes even the best marriages don’t work. And he kind of stumbles over his words and looked pain. It was interesting to see Mauricio trying to process it because in Beverly Hills all we got was confused. Mauricio’s face.

Sharon: Yes.

Caitlin: Which I noticed he would go into a lot when the girls were trying to discuss things with him.

Caitlin: Uh-huh.

Caitlin: He would get really confused looking and like, he did that all season.

Sharon: Why would I wanna discuss this with my kids?

Caitlin: No, I wouldn’t either. But it wasn’t just like shut down. It was almost like he just like he was shut, like he was melting down. He did not know what to do.

Sharon: Like, yeah, I could see that.

Caitlin: I mean, there’s no way to know what to do. Yeah, yeah, but, and also on,

Sharon: This one with Morgan, that was kind of how he addresses the Morgan issue.

Caitlin: Yes.

Sharon: He’s like, I don’t think she has anything going on. And then I, you know.

Caitlin: Yeah, he had to kind of warm up to that idea too. And then he also kind of said, like, I’ve never, I haven’t asked her.

Caitlin: And I was really curious. Has she said something to you? Are you kind of like speechifying us? Is this a political debate? Like, well, I haven’t asked her, but.

Sharon: She told me exactly.

Caitlin: I didn’t want to know. But I do know. I mean, he says they’ve been to couples therapy three times. and that what was sort of interesting is that, so they’re kind of in their kitchen back at their house, and they were having some cheese or something. and he was just saying, like, I was thinking, I’ll be married for the rest of my life. And I didn’t like when he was saying those things because in the talking heads. Cause you were just like, oh, no, something’s coming. But he said, like, she’d always been, they’d always been so supportive of each other. When he asks her about the Hilton poaching of Zack, she isn’t super supportive. She’s just like, well, it’s always something. Yeah, I just think that, the sister thing is so important to her now, and Mauricio is so out that she’s gotta save her relationship with her sister and she’s not gonna say anything. I feel like old Kyle would have been like, well, yeah, that’s not fair.

Sharon: Or, that’s a good point. Now she’s like, okay, well, I’m not with him, so I might as well salvage this relationship. Well, it’s almost like she’s turning her back on Mauricio, even though that’s what.

Caitlin: It felt like to me.

Sharon: Even though there are all these years and you should still be kind to each other. it seems from the outside, I mean.

Caitlin: Cause he made that whole statement. At some point, like, even if we’re not together, we want to be able to have meals together and not have it be awkward.

Sharon: And we want to be able to.

Caitlin: Like our business and our finances. All of that’s tied up together. Like, we need to all be a team no matter what. And it kind of felt like that’s not being part of a team, Kyle.

Sharon: Yeah.

Caitlin: But while that was a little bit weird, why do you think in general, though, these scenes did not seem as awkward here as they were in real housewives of Beverly Hills?

Sharon: I think it’s because it wasn’t Kyle trying to defend herself.

Caitlin: Oh, I think you’re right. Yeah. It just got to be like, it got to exist as it was and she wasn’t forced to talk about it later. Yeah. do we want to say who wins in Kyle versus Mauricia?

Sharon: No one wins.

Caitlin: No one wins. Not us.

Sharon: I mean, I guess Kyle wins cause she’s the one that wants out.

Caitlin: Yeah. In my heart, Mauricio wins because I feel like he was wrong.

Sharon: I do too.

Caitlin: Okay, let’s talk about the Umanskis versus their kids. so the background info is that. Let’s start with this. I guess Mauricio is talking to the boys in the desert in their home, and he says that he and Kyle have to learn how to be together as the kids grow up. They’ve always had kids, and I hadn’t really thought about this because of Farah, who is not Mauricio’s. She came with Kyle, obviously, and they have had kids from the very first day of their relationship.

Sharon: They’ve never not had a kid from kids.

Caitlin: Never not had a kid.

Sharon: It’s really fascinating.

Caitlin: So it’s like, okay, that is interesting. They never learned how to be a couple without kids, ever, because people always say, well, I lose that. But they never had that separation. M so what’s sort of interesting there is. It’s like, well, then why can’t you just try this out? Like, maybe it is awkward, maybe it is weird because you don’t have the kids to focus on as much.

Caitlin: But you do still have a kid at home.

Sharon: They do still have a kid. And also Sophia work with them.

Caitlin: And Sophia’s literally, Sophia’s 23, so she’s.

Sharon: Been out for like, six years.

Caitlin: Oh, she’s back living there.

Caitlin: Yeah. I don’t know.

Caitlin: It just felt like your family. Everybody moved to Guam.

Sharon: They’re all very close together, so I.

Caitlin: Don’T understand why they can’t continue to be team Umanski.

Sharon: I know they all wear the agency.

Caitlin: Hats, but Marie cl says, like, they both want to have a marriage with passion and love, and they’re trying to figure out if it’s just the dream of marriage they have or whether they still have that love and passion. I felt like he does. Kyle doesn’t I agree. Maybe that’s not fair.

Sharon: I think maybe they should just take a break and come back.

Caitlin: That’s kind of fair.

Sharon: I know that that doesn’t ever happen, but I think for them, it could actually work because I think Kyle just really wants a break. She really wants to be alone. She wants to go. Just let her go do whatever she wants to do for five years and then you guys can get back together. I think you could live the rest of your lives.

Caitlin: Yeah, I do. I kind of think they might be able to because like Mauricio said at one point, well, maybe I need a break because I need to see if I miss her. Like, maybe they, maybe they do need to see if that is the case because modern relationships are different. Do you think they’re just blaming the focus on the kids? I think so, yeah. I think a little bit too, because.

Sharon: They’Re so busy with other stuff. It’s not like, yeah, it’s like, oh, I can understand if you’re like a stay ah at home mom, and it’s always been the kids, then your kids.

Caitlin: Are gone, and our kids do interrupt our lives. So, I mean, we’re trying to have a conversation with our husband and here comes a bunch of kids. I mean, like, yeah, the kids are the problem, right?

Sharon: No, totally. But then she’s always been doing other stuff too. Like, she’s busy with work.

Caitlin: Yes, exactly.

Sharon: It’s not like suddenly she’s like, yeah, oh, you know, I have nothing going.

Caitlin: I don’t know.

Caitlin: Yeah, I don’t have anything else in my life. They both do, and they both need to say no. And it also felt like it fell on Mauricio to say no.

Caitlin: Well, Kyle needs to too, and she’s not going to. And she kind of said as much, didn’t she? At some point in Beverly Hills, I think. what was fun was seeing Kyle Moore this season. she met with the girls for lunch, and Sophia cried because her anxiety was so high. But it was fun seeing them all talking together. it just, it was like she was being a mom, but a mom to older kids. And, like, we’ve seen more of her mom ing in, like, the younger days. it was also fun. Cause, like, Farah asked Kyle for dirt on the housewives and Kyle was like, well, they’re coming for me, for dad and me. And then Alexia was like, well, I used to cry over episodes. It was hard to watch. And it was like, oh, it was interesting to hear these kids who grew up on the show say that, like, I didn’t like what the otherwise remain to my mom and like their life was under a microscope. But I loved. She said Portia had been watching it and she was like, I am obsessed with these characters. Oh, that was so funny. I was like, they’re not characters. This is your life.

Caitlin: Portia.

Caitlin: Like, these are people we know. Oh, I love.

Sharon: I just have to add that one scene with Portia where they’re all at dinner having this serious conversation about the divorce or whatever, separation. And then Portia’s like, she looks at her phone. No, they’re like, what? She’s like, I have summer reading.

Caitlin: And then they were like, well, that’s not a big deal. She’s like, well, it’s a big deal to me. Yeah, I know. It was like such a kid thing.

Sharon: I know.

Caitlin: Why do you think Kyle filmed this season when she didn’t at all last season? I mean, last season. It’s like we kept waiting for her. Like, where’s Kyle?

Sharon: Well, we all guessed that maybe it was a contract thing. I don’t know.

Caitlin: Yeah, maybe because of Netflix versus. And maybe this time she worked it out. But you could also say, like, last time she was busy, but she must have been busy this time too. I don’t know. I do kind of get the feeling that she feels like if she’s breaking up with Mauricio, that this is something that sets the girls up too. And like, maybe she owes it to them to kind of give a bump to this show before she steps away. I kind of want to possibly. Yeah, that’s my theory. Okay, next they go to Aspen.

Sharon: The agency.

Caitlin: Aspen.

Caitlin: Yay.

Caitlin: Aspen is Mauricio’s happy place. But see, Kyle says it’s hers too.

Sharon: So again, it’s like you guys do like these.

Caitlin: Doing these nature things together. It doesn’t just because you’re busy does. I don’t know. I can’t get over it. I’m very upset about it. Me too. What’s interesting is, so they just learned about the People magazine article about separation.

Caitlin: And everyone’s kind of talking about it and they’re like, well, we’re all going to Aspen in a couple days, like to join. So they all. They’re all going to go there. They’re all going to stay at their house. And this article has just dropped. do you think you would have canceled on everybody if you’d been Kyle and Maurice here? Do you think that would have looked bad?

Sharon: I think that would have looked bad.

Caitlin: I mean, I guess they were filming.

Sharon: Because they had to also know it was going to come. Like, I don’t know, but what’s what.

Caitlin: I guess I found so weird. So, like, Alexia said she first found out about the article paddle boarding in Aspen. She sees her mom look at her phone, and she sees her face shift and panic comes over her. And then her dad is like, his phone is like texting and beeping calls. But they were like, well, as far as we know, they’re not separated. and then Farrah’s like, well, how do you know? Because sometimes we see these things. But this one felt like there was some truth to it.

Sharon: Yeah. So this is how they found out they’re actually separated.

Caitlin: Exactly. And what I do think is interesting is both of the parents apologized and said, like, we’re really sorry that you found out through another means and not through us. I kind of can’t believe they waited this long to not gives something to the girls.

Sharon: See, but this is where I think it’s kind of weird because it’s like they’re separated, but they’re still living there.

Caitlin: Right?

Caitlin: I guess because they were still in.

Sharon: The same house, right?

Caitlin: Yeah, they were. But they were both traveling so much that it was like, were they purposely trying to not be at the house at the same time?

Sharon: When you separate, is there like a legal we’re separated, or is that just like a worst state?

Caitlin: So they’re in Virginia where you had to have Potomac.

Sharon: They had to be separated.

Caitlin: Right. But I don’t think for anybody else you file.

Sharon: So I guess I didn’t know if.

Caitlin: It was like, yeah, like legal.

Sharon: Like he was. They were trying to ease into like, oh, yeah, we’re kind of.

Caitlin: And I think that’s what they were doing. But then also it was interesting because I guess for some reason I thought they’d be like a really fun, cool, open family who communicates. I guess I got that vibe. And I’m clearly completely wrong.

Caitlin: Because Farrah was like, we don’t discuss difficult things.

Caitlin: We sweep it under the rug. We’re terrible at communication.

Sharon: We all know Farrah is like, with how she feels about her fiancee.

Caitlin: Absolutely. So, yeah, I guess that should have been a warning sign. Like, were you surprised by that or was it just me?

Sharon: I was surprised by that. Especially because, you know, the whole thing about Kyle living on housewives is that you’re sharing your life.

Caitlin: Yes. You think it might be.

Sharon: You have to talk about things over and over.

Caitlin: Uncomfortable things, even. Yeah, I agree. It was fun because then we finally saw, like, that preview scene with Kyle riding up on her bike with a giant Hermes bed.

Sharon: Oh, my God, I love that. That was hysterical. She’s like, right. You know when you go to the.

Caitlin: Grocery store and you get too many things? Yeah, it’s like that, but at Hermes.

Sharon: Yeah, exactly.

Caitlin: so they said before the news broke, it was a secret. They’d kept it away from the kids. They hadn’t spoken about it. And then Portia finally joins them, and they’re like, well, now that the cameras are here, it’s a good time to talk to.

Sharon: Exactly.

Caitlin: But like Kyle says, it’s on us that we haven’t properly said the stuff before, and we made it feel like a secret, which they did. I mean, when you look at kind of how shocked the girls are, I do think, I mean, I know that there’s an element of, like, not wanting to see stuff.

Sharon: Right.

Caitlin: because I know, like, so my parents got divorced when I was about at the same age as the girls, kind of. And it was hard for me because it’s like, that’s the age when you’re making, like, decisions to want to get married and stuff like that too. And so it’s sort of hard to see, like, what you thought was this foundational thing crumble.

Caitlin: And so I can see how it’s like we’re all kind of watching Kyle’s season. It’s like, well, we’re seeing these red flags. I can see how the girls did not see them.

Sharon: Right.

Caitlin: But that’s why I just felt like it was really, really hard that their parents didn’t sit them down and say anything because, I don’t want to learn about it from People magazine. And then all these people. I’m so sorry. Like, you’re getting texts from a thousand people.

Sharon: Yeah, I don’t know.

Caitlin: I didn’t like that. It was uncomfortable. Also, Mauricio jokes again. Well, at least it’s your affair, not mine. It was less uncomfortable this time. But why was he so. He was just, he did that joke on Beverly Hills and he did it here. That was his joke. He was just very, I thought it.

Sharon: Was funny on Beverly Hills. And then when he said, this time, I almost wonder if it’s his way of being like, You’re having an affair with Morgan.

Caitlin: Yeah, maybe like he really trying to ask. He, like, really believes it.

Sharon: Or like there’s. He feels like there’s something to it this time. I don’t know.

Caitlin: Yeah, because we talk about in our Kyle episode, we both think she’s having an affair totally.

Sharon: Even wasn’t like Rihanna or somebody. This article too. I was like.

Caitlin: She was like, of course.

Caitlin: Absolutely.

Caitlin: Thank you. Well, if she thinks so, I vindicated. Exactly. Mauricio, doesn’t believe, first off, I mean, he says he doesn’t believe she has anything going on with Morgan. And at first he’s very like, early on in the episodes, he’s very like, I just don’t think anything’s going on. But then later he kind of is like, well, I didn’t ask her. And the way they’re talking to him and he’s like pausing and he’s really searching for words and he’s really looking to the side when he’s talking. Like, I think it was Dasanti. You can tell he doesn’t believe that anymore. And again, it’s Kyle’s business. We don’t know. But I feel like we all think she’s having an affair with Morgan.

Sharon: Yeah.

Caitlin: And if she’s not, definitely. At least an emotional something where she’s turning to her in the place of her husband.

Sharon: Exactly.

Caitlin: Totally. okay, so Kyle goes back to shoot because of the scandal they have to reshoot. okay, this was interesting. She says, one, of the girls says, who are you shooting with if not dad? And Mauricio’s like, good question, Alexia. I wanna know. So did she not invite Mauricio back to film when they did that and she talked to Erica and stuff? Or did she not think about it or was he busy film. Cause Kyle goes, dad’s busy here. And he did have a filming schedule in Aspen.

Sharon: I just took it more that this was unexpected because she has to fly back all of a sudden because all the stuff broke. She’s got to go talk to the ladies about it. I didn’t take it actually as anything.

Caitlin: But when Mauricio said, good question.

Sharon: Because again, I think he’s kind of actually now.

Caitlin: Like he thinks she’s filming with Morgan. Yeah. yeah, that was a rough one. Okay, this part was interesting. So Kyle says, we’ve had a hard year. And Ferris says, well, you have to put in the hard work, you know, whatever that means. And Mauricio’s like, well, mom and I’ve never been apart this much. I need to learn to say no. But then Farrah kind of. I feel like she questions because she brings it up a couple times. Did you put in the work? Like it’s like she wants to ask that and she can’t get an answer.

Sharon: But I don’t even. I hate it when people say that. Marriage is work, because I don’t know what it means.

Caitlin: Yeah. I literally meant more questions.

Caitlin: I do not.

Caitlin: Should they put in some cat? I think they maybe could have put in more counseling hours. What was interesting is, and I think that this is the problem. Kyle kept saying, like, that she wanted certain things from Mauricio and we kind of don’t learn what those certain things are.

Caitlin: Mauricio says at one point, like, here’s the list. I was willing to accept all the things that were your mom’s problems. Like that she had problems with me. Like, I was gonna accept it, but I think this is, this. Remember when he’s speaking with PK and he’s like, well, you just accept it. And like, you don’t talk about it. And like, you just like, whatever Kyle says is right. Like, she’s right. Like, I’m not gonna argue about it. And I think it’s like Mauricio thought if they went to counseling and Kyle’s like, I don’t like that you’re doing this. I don’t like you. And Mauricio’s like, yep, I do all those things. I suck. Can we be done now?

Caitlin: Yeah.

Caitlin: And it’s like, I think that maybe that was the problem. Like she wanted more in, like the emotional sense or in the discussing it or she wanted him to put in some work.

Sharon: It’s putting in the work. Him, just saying, no, at work, actual job, I don’t work. And spending time with her, I don’t.

Caitlin: Think that’s the work.

Sharon: Is it him paying more attention to her?

Caitlin: She doesn’t want either of those things.

Sharon: I don’t think when they say marriages work, I don’t understand.

Caitlin: Yeah.

Sharon: I mean, it is work. It’s not that it’s work. It’s just that sometimes it’s, yeah. Not as fun as other times.

Caitlin: Does that make sense?

Sharon: I don’t know.

Caitlin: No, I agree. And again, I think that if you have, I guess here’s, and I think this is where Marie says, confused too. I think sometimes if you have that goal, like, we want to grow old together, then maybe you do say, like, we’re in a bad season.

Caitlin: And we’ll get past it. So either for Kyle, the season has been so long, or else something happened that made her see it differently or, and what I’m kind of afraid of is that I, you know, and it happens. I think she maybe fell out of love and fell in love with somebody else.

Caitlin: And at that point, there’s nothing, there’s no work that the other person can do to become that other person. Exactly. She either needs to get Morgan out of her system.

Caitlin: Or whatever it is out of her system.

Sharon: Yeah.

Caitlin: And the sad thing is, I think in a way Mauricio might have been willing to be there to wait for her.

Sharon: I think so too. I think if she was like, listen, I want to be en pas and I just want to go with Morgan for like three years.

Sharon: And then she’d want to come back. I actually think he’d take her to that dream.

Caitlin: And he likes the family and he likes the unit and ah, sometimes I wonder if. Cause it’s, you know, he got a lot of flack for going out on that date with the woman from the dancing with the stars that he was with. And Kyle made it sound like at the time, like she was so, oh, he just broke. It was so disappointing. And I want to be like, but you’re doing stuff too. And he said, you’re the one, you know, who said, don’t ask me what I’m doing. And I want. It’s almost like she thought she could handle it, but then she couldn’t. And then the second he did it, it was like, no, no, no.

Sharon: But it’s like m maybe did it too, right?

Caitlin: Like, or you asked for the break. I don’t know. He didn’t.

Sharon: And maybe it’s a little different. Just the fact that it’s with a.

Caitlin: Woman, whereas that might be true, that might be different.

Sharon: Like maybe to Mauricio, it doesn’t seem like she’s really leaving because it’s not another maniac. So it’s like totally different.

Caitlin: He doesn’t feel the comparison is the same. That’s interesting. it was nice to see them talking about it, but even though they kind of kept saying like, oh, this is so much better. We’re being so honest. I just still felt like nobody was really being honest or giving much of anything. And I think that we all maybe wanted a little bit more, including the girls. So I think we’re all in the same boat. I also thought it was interesting when Farrah was like, I wish I’d asked, what was the game plan? Like, how are you going to navigate this? How will this work? What are the next steps? And it’s like, okay, that’s probably more than she needs to know. However, I do think it was fair to be like, well, if your mom and I can’t work this out, yeah, we are looking at a divorce. Or it’s like they just sort of put, they left it really uncertain for the girls. Well, we’re just, I mean, it’s not as big as people magazine saying. And then later, like, well, yeah, actually it is what people make. It’s like you just, you needed to just tell them. M. Like, yes, this is the worst case scenario is what this article says. Like, we’re going for separation or the next step is if we can’t make it work in so long and we can’t give you a timeline, but.

Caitlin: Yeah, we are looking at divorce and I think they left the girls real unsteady there. And that’s really hard because the kids are just always gonna wish for them to come back together.

Sharon: Yeah.

Caitlin: Like, I know we kind of did as kids. Like, okay, well, maybe they’ll just come back together. Like, maybe they’ll just work itself out. Like, maybe everyone’s just really in a bad place right now. And so it’s just sort of hard. I don’t think my parents, like, strung us along with that so much. But, like, there’s confusion here because you want to stay a team and you want to stay a unit. Like, my parents tried to kind of live near each other for a little while so that it was close. And, and that’s both good and bad because it’s great for us as the kids, but also it’s confusing. And then it’s hard for them because they don’t have that separation. Like Mauricio said, kyle was just living upstairs. They’re still in the same house.

Sharon: Yeah, that’s really, I mean, that’s hard too. It’s a big house.

Caitlin: Yeah. Luckily, they have a lot of money.

Sharon: A lot of space.

Caitlin: It’s not like if we did that in my house. But think about, there’s no shower downstairs, so good luck to whoever gets that one.

Sharon: Yeah, but here’s a realtor. They could buy another house.

Caitlin: They could. Or they could just build on, you know.

Caitlin: Yeah.

Caitlin: Don’t they? Do they have a guest back?

Sharon: Yeah, an adu. Alternative.

Caitlin: Alternative.

Sharon: Whatever.

Caitlin: So the series ends with three months later at the Umansky house. It’s just the girls and Mauricio. And like Sharon you pointed out, there’s a lot of, just what we see of Mauricio talking to the girls.

Caitlin: Which is also really interesting because that gives us another side of it too. the girls just feel that there’s a huge lack of communication. He told TNC that, yes, they were for sure separated. And m no one told the girls and goes, well, I thought your mom.

Sharon: Told you oh, my God, such a guy.

Caitlin: I mean, I just felt like, yep, that’s what happened.

Sharon: That I had Tracy too.

Caitlin: Just was so like, oh, you guys, you screwed it up the first time you had a chance.

Sharon: I know.

Caitlin: Like, maybe you just give Kyle a call before you talk to TMZ. Or you quickly call the girls right after talking. But he does get choked up in the interview about the kids not knowing first. They wanted to be able to. They just couldn’t.

Sharon: And you can tell they’re good parents.

Caitlin: They are good.

Sharon: You know, they love their.

Caitlin: They love that family unit, and they’re human too. And they don’t have good answers necessarily either. But, you know, he says that Kyle was the one who came to him. She wanted to be separated. and he, like, was saying that now he’s sort of at the point where he maybe needs some space because they were going to go and talk, he and Kyle, right after this, he’s like, well, your mom’s coming over later and we’re going to talk. And the girls kind of ask, was there ever a discussion of compromise? And Maurice is like, well, we haven’t really talked in two months at all. Farrah was really teary. They were all really teary about it. And again, it’s just I don’t think they can communicate in Kyle. Not Kyle, Farrah. Which, it’s funny because sometimes when you close your eyes, the girls sound exactly like they do. It’s freaky. but Feyre just says, too busy shouldn’t be a thing. It should be a priority. But now when Mauricio says, I want the space, it’s all I can think to be like, this is it.

Sharon: Yeah, because he’s not fighting for it anymore.

Caitlin: He was like, the last holdout.

Sharon: Yeah.

Caitlin: the girls were like, 2024 will be our year. Or maybe 2025.

Sharon: Oh, that was. Yeah.

Caitlin: But it also made me realize all of this was in 2023. So to think about where they are now.

Caitlin: Yeah.

Sharon: Cause now they’re really getting divorced.

Caitlin: Right.

Caitlin: The last episode was called mergers and separations.

Caitlin: Clever.

Sharon: Clever and sad.

Caitlin: so, like, compared to what we got on real Housewives of Beverly Hills, I liked this a lot more.

Sharon: Me too.

Caitlin: This was like the Umansky chance to tell her story. Mm Yeah. What do you think happens next? Farah wants to know, and I do too.

Sharon: I think they’re gonna get divorced and she’s gonna live with Morgan for a while. I do think there’s a chance they could get back together, though.

Caitlin: Yeah, maybe.

Sharon: I really do.

Caitlin: Let’s have that. I like that. Let’s end with that. Do you think so? Maybe I do. Because I think people do have regrets, and it’s, like, as long as you can get over.

Sharon: Yeah. And I do think they do have a really strong underlying love. Yes. He especially loves her.

Caitlin: She does. You’re right.

Sharon: So she wants to come back and say, I made her stay.

Caitlin: Yeah.

Caitlin: Okay.

Caitlin: I like that. That’s where we’re gonna end this, because I need that hope. Otherwise I’m always gonna go home and be safe.

Sharon: You know what? Theresa and Gary broke up from, golden bachelor love is taking a lot of hits.

Caitlin: You’re right.

Caitlin: And they didn’t have the great strong foundation.

Sharon: They had like three dates. They did.

Caitlin: So come on, Maurice McAu put in the word. All right, well, that is our episode on the Kyle and Mauricio drama of buying Beverly Hills season two. It is also just a really good series. It’s not just about this, but this.

Sharon: Is kind of our cheat sheet for.

Caitlin: All of you who wanted to know what’s going on from the Beverly Hills side. But there’s also an episode that we did just discussing the episode minus all of this stuff.

Sharon: Yeah, that’s true.

Caitlin: Go and listen to that. It’s really fun. We loved season one. We love season two. We definitely m recommend watching it. It’s fun real estate. There’s fun characters beside this. This is just kind of the drama outside of the that, you know, kind of ties it all together a little bit, but it’s not really the main point of the show.

Sharon: Agreed?

Caitlin: Yep. All right, remember, housewives bring the drama.

Sharon: But we bring the receipts.

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